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Doesn't have much to do with anything important, but it still boggles my mind that I see almost all of this through the lense of the Wire. Somehow, the writers of that show nailed almost every one of these issues in a freaking television show nearly twenty years ago and nothing has changed. Unfortunately, the Wire is so real that it offers little in the way of solutions: much more a perfect description rather than prescription.
I'd link an apropos Wire clip, but there're too many.
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Samuel L Jackson was on CNN last nigh,t and he ended with:
"Thank you. Thanks for having me. I hope everyone out there is man your safe as they can possibly be. And don't forget that is a pandemic, even in the midst of all this, and thank you all that are paying attention and now understand that, you know, Black Lives Matter. We're not saying they matter more, we're just saying they matter."
I think that's a great way to frame it against "all lives matter".
I don't know if de-funding the police is the answer, because it's obvious imo that the issues are systemic, and I don't think things are going to be fixed unless police forces are completely overhauled, including getting rid of a good number of officers, as well as completely revamping recruitment, training, and procedures.
Obviously that's a very complex thing to do and can't be done overnight, but it has to be done.
I mean, others in this thread have pointed out how police official statements are just often complete BS.
Cops in Minneapolis were caught purposely deflating tires on cars in parking lots. The police department response?
Property damage? I thought that was the last sacred cow.
Doesn't have much to do with anything important, but it still boggles my mind that I see almost all of this through the lense of the Wire. Somehow, the writers of that show nailed almost every one of these issues in a freaking television show nearly twenty years ago and nothing has changed. Unfortunately, the Wire is so real that it offers little in the way of solutions: much more a perfect description rather than prescription.
I'd link an apropos Wire clip, but there're too many.
The writers on The Wire didn't just coincidentally get all that stuff right. David Simon, the show's creator, was a veteran crime journalist from the Baltimore Sun who spent many years forming relationships with local police officers for his stories. Co-creator of the show and Simon's writing partner was Ed Burns, a Baltimore cop of 20 years.
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The writers on The Wire didn't just coincidentally get all that stuff right. David Simon, the show's creator, was a veteran crime journalist from the Baltimore Sun who spent many years forming relationships with local police officers for his stories. Co-creator of the show and Simon's writing partner was Ed Burns, a Baltimore cop of 20 years.
I read a series of articles where the author watched The Wire with Baltimore gang members and they all said it was mostly accurate, but made to be a bit more exciting for TV with more exaggerated characters and scenario's. They all agreed the character of Omar was way too ridiculous.
These riots have really opened my eyes. I didn’t realize there was such a problem with this still, especially down south.
It's always been there.
I would recommend watching the BBC documentary on black slavery and black history on Youtube. Beware though, you will see images and videos of town lynchings of black americans just for being black, boys lynched all less than a century ago. The horrors in the US has largely been brushed under the carpet, and they were much more recent than people can comprehend. Americans currently in their 60's in the south would have been in schools and drank from white and coloured fountains as teenagers and children. It's seriously not that long ago.
On one side, you have a Democratic candidate that vehemently fought busing. What's busing? A desegregation attempt of blacks and white and having them share the same bus. This was a policy in the 1970's and 80's, yes that recent...and Biden was against it, and the Democrats eventually defeated it as their rich white base in the NE was outraged of having their white children sharing a bus with black people.
Yes the Democrats were the ones who defeated the idea, and he's the one chosen to run on the Democrat side. And on the other side, you have Donald Trump.
Biden has always been ambiguous about the reason why he went against busing, citing he did not want federal legislation, but the truth is deeply ingrained in many Americans.
For the 1975–76 school year, the Louisville, Kentucky school district, which was not integrated due to whites largely moving to the suburbs, was forced to start a busing program.[6] The first day, 1,000 protestors rallied against the busing, and a few days into the process, 8,000 to 10,000 whites from Jefferson County, Kentucky, many teenagers, rallied at the district's high schools and fought with police trying to break up the crowds.[6] Police cars were vandalized, 200 were arrested, and people were hurt in the melee, but despite further rallies being banned the next day by Louisville's mayor, demonstrators showed up to the schools the following day.[6] Kentucky Governor Julian Carroll sent 1,800 members of the Kentucky National Guard and stationed them on every bus.[6] On September 26, 1975, 400 protestors held a rally at Southern High School, which was broken up by police tear gas, followed by a rally of 8,000 the next day, who marched led by a woman in a wheelchair to prevent police reprisals while cameras were running.[6] Despite the protests, Louisville's busing program continued.[6]
Congressional opposition to busing continued. Delaware senator Joe Biden said “I don’t feel responsible for the sins of my father and grandfather,”[18] and that busing was “a liberal train wreck.”[19] In 1977, senators William Roth and Biden proposed the “Biden-Roth” amendment. This amendment "prevented judges from ordering wider busing to achieve actually-integrated districts."[20] Despite Biden's lobbying of other senators[21] and getting the support of Judiciary Committee Chairman James Eastland,[22][23] "Biden-Roth" narrowly lost.
Yes, you had crowds of angry white people in Kentucky rioting and clashing with police in 1975-76, to fight the injustice of having their white suburban children share the same bus as black inner city children. The children of those racist parents are now police officers, politicians, judges. Oh yeah they are baby boomers and they also had children.
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This young girl is Ruby Bridges, age 6. She was the first black student to attend a formerly whites-only school following desegregation. President Eisenhower had to deploy armed federal agents to escort her to and from school every day because she and and her family received death threats. Out of fear that she might be poisoned, the agents did not allow her to eat at the school cafeteria. She could only consume food she brought with her from home. At her school, the racist parents of every other student pulled their children out of her classes. All the school's teachers except for one, Barbara Henry, refused to teach her. For an entire year, Ruby sat alone in a classroom with Barbara every day to receive her education.
This isn't ancient history. Ruby is still alive today. Heck, she's exactly the same age as my father. If they had lived in the same town, they would have been classmates. Her school, William Frantz Elementary, is still open in New Orleans.
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This young girl is Ruby Bridges, age 6. She was the first black student to attend a formerly whites-only school following desegregation. President Eisenhower had to deploy armed federal agents to escort her to and from school every day because she and and her family received death threats. Out of fear that she might be poisoned, the agents did not allow her to eat at the school cafeteria. She could only consume food she brought with her from home. At her school, the racist parents of every other student pulled their children out of her classes. All the school's teachers except for one, Barbara Henry, refused to teach her. For an entire year, Ruby sat alone in a classroom with Barbara every day to receive her education.
This isn't ancient history. Ruby is still alive today. Heck, she's exactly the same age as my father. If they had lived in the same town, they would have been classmates. Her school, William Frantz Elementary, is still open in New Orleans.
Wow. She's only 65 years old today. It's easy to think of these things as belonging to an ancient past. It's pretty eye-opening to see a picture like that and place it in context.
It reminds me that the last residential school in Canada closed in 1996. That is so messed up.
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Wow. She's only 65 years old today. It's easy to think of these things as belonging to an ancient past. It's pretty eye-opening to see a picture like that and place it in context.
It reminds me that the last residential school in Canada closed in 1996. That is so messed up.
There is all sorts of upsetting things in our history.
For Example: Alberta Eugenics Board, 1972 is when it stopped.
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Wow. She's only 65 years old today. It's easy to think of these things as belonging to an ancient past. It's pretty eye-opening to see a picture like that and place it in context.
It reminds me that the last residential school in Canada closed in 1996. That is so messed up.
I would say all of my native foster kids grand parents went through residential school, every last one, most were abused, none learnt how to parent properly, my job as a foster parent is basically to try and teach some of the parenting skills that the family lost as a result of the residential school system, basic things like cooking skills, having a 'family recipe' for chicken beyond Shake and Bake, things most of us take for granted that we learn from our parents who in turn learnt from their parents.
Samuel L Jackson was on CNN last nigh,t and he ended with:
"Thank you. Thanks for having me. I hope everyone out there is man your safe as they can possibly be. And don't forget that is a pandemic, even in the midst of all this, and thank you all that are paying attention and now understand that, you know, Black Lives Matter. We're not saying they matter more, we're just saying they matter."
I think that's a great way to frame it against "all lives matter".
I feel like the "All Lives Matter" people are being obtuse on purpose. What the Black Lives Matter slogan means is, Black Lives Matter TOO. That's it. They're not saying all other lives don't matter. And they know that's not what the slogan is saying, but argue against it anyways for the sake of semantics. It just makes them look like a moron IMO.
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I feel like the "All Lives Matter" people are being obtuse on purpose. What the Black Lives Matter slogan means is, Black Lives Matter TOO. That's it. They're not saying all other lives don't matter. And they know that's not what the slogan is saying, but argue against it anyways for the sake of semantics. It just makes them look like a moron IMO.
And exposes overwhelming insecurities.
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I feel like the "All Lives Matter" people are being obtuse on purpose. What the Black Lives Matter slogan means is, Black Lives Matter TOO. That's it. They're not saying all other lives don't matter. And they know that's not what the slogan is saying, but argue against it anyways for the sake of semantics. It just makes them look like a moron IMO.
Remember in the ancient, pre-COVID days of six months ago when the entire country of Australia was on fire and everyone was saying we had to save Australian forests? Nobody responded with "All forests matter." The All Lives Matter crowd know exactly what they're doing. They're a bunch of insecure racists.
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I read a series of articles where the author watched The Wire with Baltimore gang members and they all said it was mostly accurate, but made to be a bit more exciting for TV with more exaggerated characters and scenario's. They all agreed the character of Omar was way too ridiculous.
Yeah - I read those same articles.
It's more the complexity of the institutions in the show that blow me away: motivations, machinations, morals, worldviews...
The extensive discussion of alternative policing strategies in this thread made me think about the show a lot.
It's more the complexity of the institutions in the show that blow me away: motivations, machinations, morals, worldviews...
The extensive discussion of alternative policing strategies in this thread made me think about the show a lot.
This scene is particularly relevant when people are discussing changing police tactics to be less confrontational/authoritarian/militaristic and more community-oriented:
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Wow. She's only 65 years old today. It's easy to think of these things as belonging to an ancient past. It's pretty eye-opening to see a picture like that and place it in context.
It reminds me that the last residential school in Canada closed in 1996. That is so messed up.
It was 155 years ago that slavery ended. For context, that is only like 2 consecutive Harrison Fords or Iron Sheiks.
When you consider that when slavery ended, there were 4 million people thrown into the body politic with no provisions. Most of them were illiterate with little training in anything but the lowest paying jobs.
There is still a considerable amount of wealth in the U.S. that was acquired through slavery and the subsequent underpaid black labour, and conversely a lot of poverty from slavery. This is why reparations are not an unreasonable proposition. It wouldn't need to be direct cash handouts, but rather things like interest-free loans for entrepreneurs and forgivable government scholarships. Or just more investment in black communities in general.
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