I think to start the season he'd be on the third line and would likely finish his first season on the second. By the end of season two or three he'd likely take over the first line role.
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With the Flames, we've got Monahan's line, Backlund's line to play tough matchups, and a 3rd line is really a 2nd, sheltered offensive line.
Having Matthews in that position sounds prefect to me.
I love the idea of a young, talented line getting sheltered minutes... the poster a few back suggested Matthews with Shinkaruk and Bennett (maybe it was you)... I'd LOVE to see that... it'd be extremely exciting for the fans!
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Yeah, Gagner's line was -4 and Kessel's was +4, so it all evened out.
If we get #1, we aren't going to be trading it, we take Matthews and turn Bennett into a winger.
To start
Gaudreau-Monahan-UFA (Eriksson, Okposo or similar)
Colborne-Backlund-Frolik
Bennett-Matthews-Shinkaruk (2nd PP unit)
Bouma-Stajan-Ferland
I don't know if it is such a sure thing. If you can turn Matthews into Laine and a blue-chip or established player and picks why wouldn't you consider it.
If we got Matthews, I wouldn't say it's a given that he plays centre and Bennett moves to LW. I'd let it play out before making a decision. I just checked and Matthews shoots left and that's not ideal for our needs either.
Having watched Clayton Keller in the u 18, would not be surprised to see him taken in the first round 4-7 slots.
Lot s of skill, vision and upside.
He has the talent to go that high but at his size I'm sure he'll drop a bit from that range. The super skilled but tiny guys rarely go top 10. See Max Domi, see Zachary Parise, see Fabbri, see Shinkaruk, see Teravainen. Most of those guys had top 10 skill like Keller but lacked a bit in the size dept and fell out of the top 10-15. Most teams are trying to get bigger, not smaller. There are so many big, skilled guys available this draft that I'd bet money on Keller dropping out of that top 10.
Great prospect and I'm sure we'll hear the team who takes him say that they were surprised he was still available when they got him.
Alright boys. Wanna judge for yourselves whether Tkachuk was riding coattails on his line or not? Someone on HF linked a video of all of Mitch Marner's points and Tkachuk obviously figures heavily into these highlights. It's actually the best highlight video of Tkachuk that you can find just due to the sheer amount of plays he's involved with even though he doesn't figure into every highlight. Some very pretty goals, some very pretty passes. And then you have him crashing the net or making plays from behind the net on a lot of the rest.
Marner is #93, Tkachuk is #7, Dvorak is #10, Juolevi is #4, Max Jones is #49. Judge for yourselves if you have the time.
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That's BS...the college players aren't allowed to sign before completing (assuming they want to complete, which not everyone does, of course)...so, if they develop well during that time, they can decide to go UFA...junior players don't have the ability to develop that long without signing, at least its highly unlikely.
And if the College player is good enough to go pro, he can leave college at any time and sign. And players leaving before their four year career is up happens far more often than players opting to be UFAs.
If he's ready after year 2, he can sign then and not have to wait two more years in NCAA.
With the Flames, we've got Monahan's line, Backlund's line to play tough matchups, and a 3rd line is really a 2nd, sheltered offensive line.
Having Matthews in that position sounds prefect to me.
Bennett's line wasn't even all that sheltered at the end of this season. Ferland and Bennett were taking on some hard assignments. Add Matthews to Sammy's wing (for now, while he's a rookie) and it could suddenly be our 1A/1B line.
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Alright boys. Wanna judge for yourselves whether Tkachuk was riding coattails on his line or not? Someone on HF linked a video of all of Mitch Marner's points and Tkachuk obviously figures heavily into these highlights. It's actually the best highlight video of Tkachuk that you can find just due to the sheer amount of plays he's involved with even though he doesn't figure into every highlight. Some very pretty goals, some very pretty passes. And then you have him crashing the net or making plays from behind the net on a lot of the rest.
Marner is #93, Tkachuk is #7, Dvorak is #10, Juolevi is #4, Max Jones is #49. Judge for yourselves if you have the time.
I'm trying to keep in mind that this is Marner's video, so Tkachuk isn't the focus, but to be honest, this video doesn't really dispel concerns that Tkachuk's numbers are inflated by playing with Marner and Dvorak. I would say that on the majority of those highlights the play was driven by Marner, or Marner and Dvorak.
That isn't to say that Tkachuk is mediocre or not a first round pick or anything, but I do not think that it is unreasonable to wonder if he would be considered a top 5 pick if he played in a different situation.
My opinion is about as amateur as it gets since I have only seen Tkachuk at the WJC's and in highlights, but if the Flames don't win the lottery I am hoping that they select Pierre Luc Dubois. He's got a hell of a one-timer and I like how he drives to the net with the puck.
