CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Getting to the end isn't the be all end all. I would rather contribute as much as I can while I am here rather than saying I made it all the way.

Also, what have you contributed that has benefited the passengers? Everything you have done thus far has benefited the scum. I didn't say my end goal was to make it all the way, I said I was a high target from your sides point of view because I have and that gives me experience.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Also, what have you contributed that has benefited the passengers? Everything you have done thus far has benefited the scum. I didn't say my end goal was to make it all the way, I said I was a high target from your sides point of view because I have and that gives me experience.

what has anyone done? Nothing, all the hosts are alive.

The only person who has done anything is the agent if they killed Seb. So unless you are the agent and killed Seb you've done just as much as me.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Town:
Puxlut
Oling
GGG

Leaning town:
Starseed
Timbo (possibly targeted with spore)

Unsure:
Bizaro (possibly targeted with spore)
Peanut
Squiggs

Possible hosts:
Mrkajz
Diss
PE

Can you defend your list?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

So you've participated more than me, but yet all game you've accused me of running things and used that as your main argument for me being a host.

You can't have it both ways.

I didn't steer us into any lynches of passengers like you. I used my posts to try and gather information and discussion. I did try to steer the passengers into a vote of Timbo on Day 3 I believe, but you pulled that attention away from that rather quick and when I was initially after you, Timbo did the exact same thing. It is all there for anyone to look and see. Just because I participated a lot (not according to you) does not mean I was influential in always killing passengers or trying to spread doubt on passengers. You don't even make sense half the time with your suspicions, they don't add up. You had myself, mrjk...whatever the rest of that name is, and PE as the hosts while I was voting to lynch them. You didn't think that through, you just had an agenda of killing passengers.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

what has anyone done? Nothing, all the hosts are alive.

The only person who has done anything is the agent if they killed Seb. So unless you are the agent and killed Seb you've done just as much as me.

Except try and start lynches on passengers... Want to talk about that obvious connection between Timbo and yourself yet?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I didn't steer us into any lynches of passengers like you. I used my posts to try and gather information and discussion. I did try to steer the passengers into a vote of Timbo on Day 3 I believe, but you pulled that attention away from that rather quick and when I was initially after you, Timbo did the exact same thing. It is all there for anyone to look and see. Just because I participated a lot (not according to you) does not mean I was influential in always killing passengers or trying to spread doubt on passengers. You don't even make sense half the time with your suspicions, they don't add up. You had myself, mrjk...whatever the rest of that name is, and PE as the hosts while I was voting to lynch them. You didn't think that through, you just had an agenda of killing passengers.

If no one tried to steer early no one would ever be lynched. It's playstyle not allignment indicitive.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GGG

Can you defend your list?

I've posted many times and in detail about my suspicions of Mrkajz and diss, I've posed less about PE.

What would you like to know?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except try and start lynches on passengers... Want to talk about that obvious connection between Timbo and yourself yet?

There isn't anything for me to say. There is no connection between me and him other than the one you are choosing to see.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by starseed

Mega noise to sift through. I think Timbo could actually now put me squarely in the list of people who support the GA2 reveal.

We could use an extra known townie to help us narrow our lists, and cut away a couple of connections that are not there. If we have 5 scum to 7 passengers, then the game could be over before the next day starts... and I think it is reasonable to assume it is 5 scum.

Should we lynch another passenger, then have GA2 successfully kill a turned, then get another bad roll with the spore, it would be 5-5 and would still be game over.

S.O.S.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is there a consensus on the probability of 2 turned? ...and therefore we are facing our potential last day upon a passenger lynch?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I didn't steer us into any lynches of passengers like you. I used my posts to try and gather information and discussion. I did try to steer the passengers into a vote of Timbo on Day 3 I believe, but you pulled that attention away from that rather quick and when I was initially after you, Timbo did the exact same thing. It is all there for anyone to look and see. Just because I participated a lot (not according to you) does not mean I was influential in always killing passengers or trying to spread doubt on passengers. You don't even make sense half the time with your suspicions, they don't add up. You had myself, mrjk...whatever the rest of that name is, and PE as the hosts while I was voting to lynch them. You didn't think that through, you just had an agenda of killing passengers.

If no one posts their theories/arguments or lobbies for their targets then there is nothing to look back on after lynches.

Would you prefer we sit around and have more no lynch scenarios? Or should we just follow Puxlut because she is known town, even though you still make mistakes if you're known town.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by starseed

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is there a consensus on the probability of 2 turned? ...and therefore we are facing our potential last day upon a passenger lynch?

If the agent killed SebC then he should reveal his info because we are at lynch or lose. If the agent did not kill SebC then it's highly likely that Seb was day 3 and devo was day 4 therefore max 1 turned from day 5 right now. So given the lack of reveal so far I think there is a max of 1 turned right now and we should wait another day.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

There isn't anything for me to say. There is no connection between me and him other than the one you are choosing to see.

And that everyone else can see as well.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I've posted many times and in detail about my suspicions of Mrkajz and diss, I've posed less about PE.

What would you like to know?

A quick summary on why each one in one place and more importantly thoughts on your bubble people and why you have them where they are.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And that everyone else can see as well.

Well when you see my cardflip you'll know you've wasted everyone's time.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Well when you see my cardflip you'll know you've wasted everyone's time.

That is what everyone says.

[Hockeyguy15]

Town:
Puxlut - anomaly
Oling - believe he was the spore target night 0, I don't believe the hosts would pass the spore to themselves night 0
GGG - active scum hunting, I tend to see the logic in most of your posts and it's hard to be logical as scum.

Leaning town:
Starseed - everyone jumped on the replacement, it was convinient. I see logic in posts as well
Timbo (possibly targeted with spore) - started off in my town list early on and has hung around there, probably because he doesn't rock the boat. Perfect target for the spore because of that.

Unsure:
Bizaro (possibly targeted with spore) - I find he says says things like "good idea" and "I never thought of it that way" sometimes he just seems too complimentary. It's a scum tool to ask leading questions and get people talking on topics you want while staying in sight. Could be more of a gut feeling.
Peanut - under the radar, I find myself not paying close attention to her posts
Squiggs - started slow, then picked up the pace. The whole Seb thing really put him here, I was leaning town before that.

Possible hosts:
Mrkajz - has twisted my words around to fit his arguments against me, I find he has a bunch of things he says I do but is guilty himself. I feel his arguments against me are overly manufactured.
Diss - has been on me since day 1 without having much to back it up. Feel his arguments against me are made up. Diss and Mrkajz have defended each other a few times, diss has also voted Mrkajz a few times but it seems like misdirection
PE - started off super slow, made some rookie mistakes. Went after me for a weak reason. Him and diss both mysteriously dropped their fight against me very abruptly which is suspicious to me.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Town:
Puxlut - anomaly
Oling - believe he was the spore target night 0, I don't believe the hosts would pass the spore to themselves night 0
GGG - active scum hunting, I tend to see the logic in most of your posts and it's hard to be logical as scum.

Leaning town:
Starseed - everyone jumped on the replacement, it was convinient. I see logic in posts as well
Timbo (possibly targeted with spore) - started off in my town list early on and has hung around there, probably because he doesn't rock the boat. Perfect target for the spore because of that.

Unsure:
Bizaro (possibly targeted with spore) - I find he says says things like "good idea" and "I never thought of it that way" sometimes he just seems too complimentary. It's a scum tool to ask leading questions and get people talking on topics you want while staying in sight. Could be more of a gut feeling.
Peanut - under the radar, I find myself not paying close attention to her posts
Squiggs - started slow, then picked up the pace. The whole Seb thing really put him here, I was leaning town before that.

Possible hosts:
Mrkajz - has twisted my words around to fit his arguments against me, I find he has a bunch of things he says I do but is guilty himself. I feel his arguments against me are overly manufactured.
Diss - has been on me since day 1 without having much to back it up. Feel his arguments against me are made up. Diss and Mrkajz have defended each other a few times, diss has also voted Mrkajz a few times but it seems like misdirection
PE - started off super slow, made some rookie mistakes. Went after me for a weak reason. Him and diss both mysteriously dropped their fight against me very abruptly which is suspicious to me.

So your argument is anyone who thought you were scum is scum? Except puxlut who has thought you were scum but is a confirmed passenger.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So your argument is anyone who thought you were scum is scum? Except puxlut who has thought you were scum but is a confirmed passenger.

Nope. I highly doubt I am right, but if I am 1/3 or 2/3 that's good enough for now.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Dissentowner is right, there is a connection between Hockeyguy15 and Timbo. I just think it's a fake one orchestrated by Timbo.

Originally Posted by Timbo

If you want me to remove my vote I can. You can then vote for me and put me first. However even though I have postulated many scenarios I still think my vote is correct at this time and is the right decision going forward.

Originally Posted by Timbo

I am not voting for you as I really think you are town. Now if you do get lynched and you flip scum, my support of you will be very suspect. However I'm willing to take that risk.

Timbo put Hockeyguy15 on a pedestal. He was willing to remove his vote and let Hockeyguy15 put him in front just because he completely trust Hockeyguy15? For what reason could he have so much faith in Hockeyguy15 to possibly throw away his game.

We know this game Hockeyguy15, host attaches themselves to a town, makes sure everyone knows they completely trust them. If host (Timbo) gets killed, townie (Hockeyguy15) follows next lynch. If townie gets killed, well host completely trusted them as that's proof they were a good little townie all along.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Dissentowner is right, there is a connection between Hockeyguy15 and Timbo. I just think it's a fake one orchestrated by Timbo.

I took that into consideration but given how obvious it is that they are connected why would HG15 refuse to cast a vote for Timbo if that was the case? If HG was town and he saw what I have pointed out he would be trying to get rid of Timbo. Instead he just says it is townie following smart townie. I am not buying it.