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Old 04-17-2012, 01:03 PM   #2361
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Danielle Smith asked about the Leech quote:



After watching that, i do wonder more about whether Leech's quote was just a comment gone totally wrong. Perhaps he was trying to say something like this: "I already have connnections to people of all groups, so I can better represent this riding than the others". However, adding "caucasian" into his quote is where he went wrong.

I don't feel quite as bad about the quote after watching the video, but still, its certainly bad publicity.
Except that he also said that a Muslim or Sikh leader as a candidate would only speak to, or represent, Musilms or Sikhs (respectively.) That is an outrageous thing to say.
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My Facebook newsfeed has picked up on the Wildrose trend, and now groups all the reasons to not vote for them together.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:04 PM   #2363
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Except that he also said that a Muslim or Sikh leader as a candidate would only speak to, or represent, Musilms or Sihks (respectively.) That is an outrageous thing to say.
And completely stupid in a city that has a Muslim mayor with the highest approval rate in the country.
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After watching that, i do wonder more about whether Leech's quote was just a comment gone totally wrong. Perhaps he was trying to say something like this: "I already have connnections to people of all groups, so I can better represent this riding than the others". However, adding "caucasian" into his quote is where he went wrong.

I don't feel quite as bad about the quote after watching the video, but still, its certainly bad publicity.
From my interactions with him I certainly don't think Ron Leech is racist, so I don't think that was his intent.

However I do think it just reveals the overall level of certainty about being right and having the Truth(tm) that his denomination can foster (intentionally or not).

Because even if you replace Caucasian with Christian, it's just as bad since it says that his belief puts him in a position superior to other religions' belief.

I don't think he believes that maliciously or disrespectfully, he just thinks it's an honest truth.
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You can satisfy me. Just tell me how the Wildrose will do it and leave the other parties out of it. Their platform should be able to stand on its own, without the need to tell me how they can pull this one off.
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Cut/Extend Infrastructure spending - 1.623 Billion
Cut Operational spending - 1.5 Billion
Freeze public salaries - bonus
Cabinet Rollback - bonus
Reduce manager ratio - 35 million
freeze bonuses to managment - 40 million
portfolio elimination - 100 million
cut carbon capture - 2 billion
zero based budgeting - 200 million

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When you surround yourself with incompetence, you look incompetent in return.
Just to revisit this point, how does Danielle Smith look right about now?
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Except that he also said that a Muslim or Sikh leader as a candidate would only speak to, or represent, Musilms or Sikhs (respectively.) That is an outrageous thing to say.
Except he didnt say that.
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Nevermind the cost that can be saved by cutting carbon capture, does anyone else see carbon capture as the future of our economy, or at least, rather important to it?
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Just to revisit this point, how does Danielle Smith look right about now?
Well she looks unconcerned for starters!
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Sure:

Cut/Extend Infrastructure spending - 1.623 Billion
Cut Operational spending - 1.5 Billion
Freeze public salaries - bonus
Cabinet Rollback - bonus
Reduce manager ratio - 35 million
freeze bonuses to managment - 40 million
portfolio elimination - 100 million
cut carbon capture - 2 billion
zero based budgeting - 200 million

There you go.
Well we're just going in circles, so forget it. I'll just be making sure to make mention of this when the budget is not balanced and leave it at that.

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Except he didnt say that.
He didn't say those exact words, but that is exactly what his statement means.
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Except he didnt say that.
What?

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Uh when uh different uh uh community leaders such as a Sikh leader or a a a Muslim leader speaks they really speak to their own people in many ways. As a Caucasian I believe that I can speak to all the community.
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I don't think that they're allowed to campaign on the day of the election, most of the leaders don't have any events scheduled on election day except for voting and post election.
Yes, they can campaign on election day. They choose not to. Some people even take their signs down the night before the election so people notice their absence.
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Well we're just going in circles, so forget it. I'll just be making sure to make mention of this when the budget is not balanced and leave it at that.
I agree, the circle ends when you can't use the other parties projections as truth to discredit the wildrose projections.

If we take them at face value, then the Wildrose budget works. If we don't take them at face value, then none of the parties budget works.

Being fair, and all.
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Uh when uh different uh uh community leaders such as a Sikh leader or a a a Muslim leader speaks they really speak to their own people in many ways. As a Caucasian I believe that I can speak to all the community.


I must be missing the part where he says muslims or sikhs only speak to their own communities at the exclusion of the others?
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PC legacy a political football

Klein years in focus as ex-premier's wife takes Wildrose membership


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Redford was reportedly critical of Ralph. Some who attended were steamed at what she said.

On March 27, day two of the election campaign, hearing of the discontent, your scribbler asked Redford about the event and what she said at it.

The premier mentioned how Ralph paid off the province’s debt “at a very accelerated pace” and “as a result of that, we got behind on infrastructure spending.”
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Then it is reported Colleen Klein was saddened over the questioning of Ralph’s legacy.

Redford plays defence Monday morning.

Her team puts out a statement saying Ralph’s decisions were fine for the 1990s but not now.
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But she also tries to sweeten the sentiment.

“We can all be very proud of the fact we are in a very strong fiscal position and there’s no doubt it’s because of the choices he made, which were certainly not easy choices.”

But wait. A videotape comes our way.

It’s of Redford at a forum for teachers when she ran for Tory leader.

Redford tells the teachers Alberta can’t look back to Ralph’s time in government and refers to times where governments “haven’t had sufficiently progressive values” and “we still have the legacies of those decisions and we can’t let that happen again.”
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I agree, the circle ends when you can't use the other parties projections as truth to discredit the wildrose projections.

If we take them at face value, then the Wildrose budget works. If we don't take them at face value, then none of the parties budget works.

Being fair, and all.
Well if you aren't willing to look for accuracy in the figures, then sure. Why is it that the Wildrose is eliminating school fees (same as the Liberals) but their figure is $40-80M where the Liberals have $100M? Why is it that the budgeted figure for the CCS is $2B, where everyone recognizes some of the money has been spent?

So ya, if you just take their figures at face value then sure they work. I also have a million dollars sitting in my savings account, as long as no one actually needs to see that.
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Danielle Smith, Climate Denier:

""We have always said the science isn't settled and we need to continue to monitor the debate."
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Well if you aren't willing to look for accuracy in the figures, then sure. Why is it that the Wildrose is eliminating school fees (same as the Liberals) but their figure is $40-80M where the Liberals have $100M? Why is it that the budgeted figure for the CCS is $2B, where everyone recognizes some of the money has been spent?

So ya, if you just take their figures at face value then sure they work. I also have a million dollars sitting in my savings account, as long as no one actually needs to see that.
It doesn't matter Slava! You can't say... well, our numbers are right and theirs are wrong!

There's no proof, period. Either number could be right, but we don't know.

There's no proof the CCS cancellation is still worth 2 billion. There's no proof the liberals can raise a billion dollars of corporate taxes without hurting the economy. But it doesn't matter. Either you take the assumptions of every party, or you throw them all out. But your partisan claim that ONLY the wildrose has made a bad assumption is just politics.
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Uh when uh different uh uh community leaders such as a Sikh leader or a a a Muslim leader speaks they really speak to their own people in many ways. As a Caucasian I believe that I can speak to all the community.


I must be missing the part where he says muslims or sikhs only speak to their own communities at the exclusion of the others?
Yes, you must be. I'll try to break it down for you:

When Sikh and Muslim leaders speak, they really speak to their own people.

But I am different because when I, as a white person, speak, I speak to the whole community.

Therefore, when Sikh and Muslim leaders speak, they don't speak to the whole community.

This is what he explicitly said. The only "interpretation" that I have made is the fact that he is distinguishing himself from Mulsim and Sikh leaders but there is absolutely no question that that is what he is doing in that quote. If you have a different interpretation, I would be fascinated to hear it.
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Danielle Smith, Climate Denier:

""We have always said the science isn't settled and we need to continue to monitor the debate."
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Danielle Smith: Is she Alberta's Sarah Palin, or the future of Canada?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2402264/

Her critics like to characterize her as Alberta's version of Sarah Palin, but Danielle Smith is no backwoods Barbie.

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