Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Simply put, they don't benefit from it directly.

Pipelines (at least until recently) are very unpopular in Quebec as aiding Alberta and Canada while Quebec bears the brunt of any environmental issues without any Quebec resources being sold. It also solidifies anti-federalism sentiment which any Quebec provincial government needs to be mindful, as going against the grain will simply put a more separatist party in place, who is even more anti-pipeline. Quebec, also being a province which has ample hydro, has a population that would see little economic impact if oil and gas was to be killed outright in lieu of electric cars. It shouldn't be a surprise that provinces without oil and gas as an industry would have it's population not care for it.

It's more about "What's in it for me"

Personally I think a lot of it also boils down to opposing the industry itself because of how much influence it has on government policies that they don’t agree with. I have a hard time believing Quebec wouldn’t want extra money in transfer payments simply due to the potential environmental impacts. Keep in mind that Quebec are also aware that the industry spends a lot of money lobbying the government and bankrolling parties that push for getting rid of transfer payments altogether.

[Ben_in_Canada]

FWIW I've been given approval to run as a candidate in Calgary Mcknight. Waiting for Elections Canada website to be updated with my details.



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[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Ben_in_Canada

FWIW I've been given approval to run as a candidate in Calgary Mcknight. Waiting for Elections Canada website to be updated with my details.

Congratulations and thank you for your service!

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Congratulations and thank you for your service!

He is Larry Heather.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by fotze2

He is Larry Heather.

This post is in violation of Article 8 of the CP charter.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Aren't equalization payments just we pay more tax than Quebec (higher paying jobs etc.) or is there actual one time payments that are made every year on top of that?

basically the collect income tax proportional to income level, and they distribute funds proportional to population (slightly more complicated than that), but what it really comes down to is the average individual Albertan makes a lot more money than the average individual Quebecois.

There is some market arguments that the Quebec governments uses the funds to keep energy prices artificially low, thereby lowering to cost of living, thereby lowering the wages the market demands, therefor baking in the fact that they are lower income, which might be mostly accurate on it's merits. But it likely has a very small effect on an individual level.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Ben_in_Canada

FWIW I've been given approval to run as a candidate in Calgary Mcknight. Waiting for Elections Canada website to be updated with my details.



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I think you should at least say which party and get ready to answer a lot of questions!

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Slava

I think you should at least say which party and get ready to answer a lot of questions!

Unless there are 2 or more candidates named Ben running in that riding you should be able to figure it out pretty easily.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Slava

I think you should at least say which party and get ready to answer a lot of questions!

Come on, it's more fun this way. I've got it figured.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Ben_in_Canada

https://thecanadianfutureparty.ca/

Being newer to town I'm not really familiar with any of the founders of this new party.
However, having recently gotten citizenship I am paying more attention and am just not liking much of what we have available to vote for (even if a year away).

Originally Posted by Ben_in_Canada

FWIW I've been given approval to run as a candidate in Calgary Mcknight. Waiting for Elections Canada website to be updated with my details.



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Good on you for putting your money where your mouth is, I don’t know anything about your views or beliefs but I respect your commitment.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

It's Carney's environmental bias we are most worried about. He doesn't seem to be going out of his way to allay our fears.

I've been reading his book and trying to understand more about what motivates him and how he sees, in particular the economy.

From what I've gathered, he is a supporter of a green economy, largely in part because European and Asian markets are shifting towards tariffing products based on their carbon impact. I think we can all agree that continuing to lean almost entirely on the USSA market is a BAD idea. We want diversity and expansion, so that leaves us Europe and Asia. If expansion to those markets requires Canada to drive toward a green economy, then Canada and particularly Alberta is going to have to face that coming reality.

This process needs to happen, and sadly Alberta has dragged it's heels for decades on this issue.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think booting candidates as things arise is positive. It’s a negative that there isn’t better vetting but it shows they know that they need to appeal to the general public to obtain power. So to be having 1% of candidates get through the vetting process and being forced to resign isn’t unreasonable.

It reveals a lot about the nomination process and the people making the nominations in area ridings.

Generally, those people are the weirdest ones, politically

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by edslunch

All Canadians pay the same Federal tax rates based on their income. Albertans pay more on average because they make more on average. All of that tax money goes into the Federal bucket to be spent on all sorts of things. One of the things it is spent on is making equalization payments to have not provinces.

There is no extra payment directly from have provinces to have not provinces. If the equalization program ended tomorrow it would make zero difference to Alberta. Our taxes wouldn't go down, Ottawa would just spend all the equalization money on something else instead, or reduce the deficit.

The actual argument is that Alberta pays more tax to Ottawa than we get back from Ottawa in transfers and services. I'm sure that's true but I haven't seen the actual rolled-up numbers. Our politicians don't make this argument, they always point to equalization because it's a big amount of government spending that Alberta (usually) doesn't get a piece of that other provinces do, and it helps that Quebec comes across as a pig at the trough with it's dodgy accounting of hydro revenue.

They could make the same argument about support for fishermen or any other regional program but they are smaller potatoes and few people hate fishermen.

It's still crazy to me how so many (specifically, Albertans) don't know how equalization works.

Even the freedom USA has federal transfers which transfers huge amounts of federal taxes from rich states (typically, blue) to poorer states (typically, red)

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Cappy

It reveals a lot about the nomination process and the people making the nominations in area ridings.

Generally, those people are the weirdest ones, politically

Good luck Ben_in_Canada!

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Ben_in_Canada

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This website got some random ####ing girl to the top of a contest in spite of that rule. This matters a lot more. I say #### the rules and go hard. I'll fight Photon myself if he tries to stop it.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Aren't equalization payments just we pay more tax than Quebec (higher paying jobs etc.) or is there actual one time payments that are made every year on top of that?

Correct

[MrButtons]

If you really want to nerd out - page 240 is an academic paper on Equalization co-authored by the homie Trevor Tombe https://fdslive.oup.com/www.oup.com/...0192897046.pdf

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Correct

One thing I'll also say that I didn't say before, is there is also some demographic destiny tied up in the transfer payment disparity. to the extent that people are more likely to spend their working years in Alberta, then call Newfoundland or BC, or Saskachewan their official home base in retirement, because that is where they are from, and the cost of living is lower, than those people technically contribute to Albertas transfer payment "deficit" and later collect on "Alberta's" transfer payments.

I think it's a small effect, but similar to CPP, where you can see Alberta drawing a lot less than it puts in right now, but because Alberta has a huge share of the population that will actually hit the CPP career maxes, and a rather large 40ish demographic bubble, you can already see a visible horizon where as a province "we" will be pulling a lot more from the fund.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by #-3

One thing I'll also say that I didn't say before, is there is also some demographic destiny tied up in the transfer payment disparity. to the extent that people are more likely to spend their working years in Alberta, then call Newfoundland or BC, or Saskachewan their official home base in retirement, because that is where they are from, and the cost of living is lower, than those people technically contribute to Albertas transfer payment "deficit" and later collect on "Alberta's" transfer payments.



I think it's a small effect, but similar to CPP, where you can see Alberta drawing a lot less than it puts in right now, but because Alberta has a huge share of the population that will actually hit the CPP career maxes, and a rather large 40ish demographic bubble, you can already see a visible horizon where as a province "we" will be pulling a lot more from the fund.

And people retire to BC after writing in other provinces so not only does BC therefore realize less taxes, the services like healthcare are higher

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

This website got some random ####ing girl to the top of a contest in spite of that rule. This matters a lot more. I say #### the rules and go hard. I'll fight Photon myself if he tries to stop it.

Yeah, but that was awesome. And really, the funnier one was the baking one, anyway, where we got amazing comments from other people on whatever site that was.