American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[direwolf]

Bill very possibly just lost the election for Harris with that statement. Jesus, what a f’n dumbass.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The Dems really are trying to lose aren't they? It's own goal after own goal...

Maybe they should GET THESE SKELETONS OFF THE STAGE and embrace the younger generation of Democratic surrogates? Just a thought.

First getting rid of the progressives, now the dinosaurs?

Careful, or you’re not going to have any democrats left!

[Paulie Walnuts]

This is what happens when you have rambling 78-year-old on the campaign trail.

Embarrassing stuff.

[calumniate]

I like how anytime the DJT stock falls they stop trading. When it goes up though there's no issue. Pretty funny to watch

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

First getting rid of the progressives, now the dinosaurs?

Careful, or you’re not going to have any democrats left!

First it was "oh no, he told us not to tell jokes" then it's "oh no, he said he wants progressives kicked out of the party"

You sure like to make things up to paint yourself as a victim, don't you?

[activeStick]

How does it work? Does a guy in the old guard like Clinton need to run their speech by the Harris campaign for approval? Or does he get a pass because he's Bill? Biden is President so I can understand him being able to say whatever, whenever he wants. Like, the rest of them need to just stop talking now, before they really eff things up for Harris.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Bill very possibly just lost the election for Harris with that statement. Jesus, what a f’n dumbass.

Certainly a dumb and unnecessary gaffe. But I’m not so sure many people truly see him as relevant. This may age like milk, but I don’t see any activity of this week affecting the outcome. Voters know what they’re going to do.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The Dems really are trying to lose aren't they? It's own goal after own goal...

For a party supposedly "not going back", they sure seem to be clinging hard to ancient gaffe-machines...

Maybe they should get these skeletons off the stage and embrace the younger generation of Democratic surrogates? Just a thought.

Or, maybe, this doesn't matter even slightly, and as already advised you should stop living and dying on every moment as if "that's the moment they cost themselves the election". If they lose it's gonna be for a dozen other reasons and not Billy and Biden being jerks or whatever. Cannot imagine what your stress levels have been like these past few months.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by activeStick

How does it work? Does a guy in the old guard like Clinton need to run their speech by the Harris campaign for approval? Or does he get a pass because he's Bill? Biden is President so I can understand him being able to say whatever, whenever he wants. Like, the rest of them need to just stop talking now, before they really eff things up for Harris.

Clinton is well known for improvising the vast majority of his speeches. Excellent and unique skill at the top of his game, but playing with fire now. I doubt this was a teleprompter comment

[direwolf]

I imagine the Harris campaign is right now telling these guys to STFU for these last few days.

[Looch City]

That's it, I'm done. I'm voting for RFK.

[activeStick]

If they're feeling the pressure and feel like they could use an extra push, let the Obamas speak then. Both of them are very good at it and might actually help Harris gain people on the fence (maybe). Like, it's unbelieveable that on the same day when the WH press secretary has to address the Biden gaffe during her daily briefing, Clinton is off somewhere adding more trouble for them.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Considering this isn't even trending on Twitter, where you know Elon would love to be pushing it, it really does reek of nothing. Biden's comments trended instantly. I know the loudest anti-Trump people here think if Kamala even lets rip one beefer she's doomed, but y'all need to chill. This will all be over soon, mercifully.

[kermitology]

https://www.thenation.com/article/po...nson-election/

Most educated guesses assume that Trump and Johnson are “secretly” talking about installing Trump as president through a “contingent election,” whereby the House of Representatives, not the Electoral College, determines the president. I think the plot goes deeper than that, but let’s start with the contingent election idea.

To understand how this could work, you have to understand the 12th Amendment of the Constitution. Here’s the key language: “The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote[.]”

If enough states refuse to certify the results of the election and submit a slate of electors—with the Supreme Court’s blessing—the math is not actually hard for Trump. Let’s say Vice President Kamala Harris wins the bare majority of Electoral College votes necessary, 270, but the Republican legislature in Wisconsin refuses to submit the state’s 10 electors by the deadline. In this scenario, the new total number of electors becomes 528, not 538—and Trump needs only 264 electoral votes to “win.” If you take Wisconsin and Nevada’s six electors out of the mix, Trump needs only 262 electoral votes to “win.” He’ll likely achieve those numbers without having to win one of the “blue wall” states.

It’s possible to play with the numbers until you find a “tie” scenario at which point the contingent election goes to the House of Representatives, but the far more likely situation is that Trump decreases the overall number of electoral votes available until he can claim a majority of the ones remaining.

And this is where Speaker Johnson becomes critical to the whole “secret” plan. In 2020, Nancy Pelosi was speaker of the House. If states had tried to get cute and not submit their electors by the December 11 deadline, Pelosi would just have extended the deadline. But Speaker Johnson surely won’t. If electors are not submitted by December 11, he’ll likely declare the process “over” and say that the electors appointed by that date are the only ones allowed to vote for president.

Crucially, Johnson can do this even if Republicans lose the House and Johnson is removed from power. The new House isn’t sworn in until January 3. As the violent MAGA people in your family already know, January 6 is when the House certifies the results of the Electoral College, but that is just a ceremonial day. By the time we get to January 6, the electors are supposed to have voted. December 11 is the deadline for appointing electors, December 25 the deadline for voting. Mike Johnson will still be in charge on both of those days.

This is what's going to happen if the results are close..

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://twitter.com/user/status/1852074591881134502

Lol at Don calling someone exhausted he can barely get the words out.

He's the projectioningest projector whoever projected. Hopefully this campaign has taken a big chunk from the time he has left on Earth.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What kind of garbage system do they have in the US.

People go out and vote, and 10 people could just say naw I don't want to certify the election.

Harris will have to win a landslide it looks like.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by kermitology

https://www.thenation.com/article/po...nson-election/

This is what's going to happen if the results are close..

Absolutely it will. Guaranteed to be a total s*** show.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Genuinely did not know that.

This is yet another indictment of the voting systems in America. The whole f'n election comes down to one state, and that state doesn't even have the full range of options for voting early. America once again showing that it's the shining example of democracy in the world!

Hmm... back to having no idea what's going to happen. And reading super original and funny end-of-the-world jokes.

You can’t seem to decide what data to follow or what rant to go on next. Now you’re livid that PA uses mail-in for all early voting?

A close election comes down to certain key voting groups and locations. How would that be different from many other countries?

Time for a deep breath.

[ResAlien]

Sigh now I have something else I can’t control to terrify me. This deal keeps getting worse all the time

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

First it was "oh no, he told us not to tell jokes" then it's "oh no, he said he wants progressives kicked out of the party"

You sure like to make things up to paint yourself as a victim, don't you?

Yes sir, that was clearly my intent. Every normal person who read that comment would certainly come to the same conclusion!