The Tariff Thread

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Quick now, what's the opposite of "mainstream media" and why is it considered a reliable source?

I have quoted your post and moved to Canadian Politics thread. I didn't want to derail this thread, the tariff discussion is an important issue on its own.

[Azure]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1900183115043095017

Oh and

https://twitter.com/user/status/1900005768772088065

[Suave]

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[woob]

Originally Posted by Azure

Tweets.

Text from the second tweet:

According to the President of the American Aluminum Association - for the US to setup a new Aluminum smelting factory - it would take 8-10 years, *if* they could find a power grid strong enough and willing to commit to 20+ years of service. Every one Canadian Aluminum job = 13 American jobs. Effectively gutting American jobs, raising costs for at least a decade. *Or*… they could continue purchasing from Canada at the current rates.. rates that Trump negotiated in 2018 that he called “perfect”.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by woob

Text from the second tweet:

Even if the orange rapist removes the tariffs we should implement a 25% tax on aluminum.

[direwolf]

Lutnick is meeting today with LeBlanc and Ford at the WH. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re looking for an off-ramp of some kind to give them an excuse to roll back some of the tariffs but then still be able to sell it to the public that Trump got a win to soothe his ego.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Please stop just posting tweets. At least copy and paste the content.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Please stop just posting tweets. At least copy and paste the content.

“Wow neat… I wonder what this says…”

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Lutnick is meeting today with LeBlanc and Ford at the WH. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re looking for an off-ramp of some kind to give them an excuse to roll back some of the tariffs but then still be able to sell it to the public that Trump got a win to soothe his ego.

Canada can't continue to soothe his ego for much longer. All this is proving is that if he gets any concession, even the appearance of one, he just comes back to it right away.

The reality is that the American people are starting to turn on him, the courts are starting to turn on him, CEOs outside of Elon Musk and the tech oligarchs are turning on him because all of this tariff nonsense is killing American exports.

Trump isn't a business man, he's a real estate speculator and mobster. He has never had an understanding of how a business actually works, that's why any of his ACTUAL businesses have gone bankrupt.

Stand up to him, he's unbelievably weak. He's utterly destroyed all of the soft power mechanism that have kept America as the cornerstone of the world economy because he and his band of chaos goblins don't understand the world.

You have to stand up to him because all he's doing is making people THINK he's powerful.

[direwolf]

Yeah, I think at this point we just have to assume that the on again/off again tariff bull*** is going to continue for the foreseeable future, and just move on as a country as best we can, find new markets, and gradually move away from the U.S. completely. Tell them that if they’re not going to act like mature intelligent adults, we’re not interested in negotiating anymore.

[Dan02]

yeah at some point all the countries he keeps ####ing with need to come together and just say we're matching all tariffs he applies and we're not negotiating with the USA until they revoke his ability to apply tariffs. If it's 4 years it's 4 years.

[5abi]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Canada can't continue to soothe his ego for much longer. All this is proving is that if he gets any concession, even the appearance of one, he just comes back to it right away.

The reality is that the American people are starting to turn on him, the courts are starting to turn on him, CEOs outside of Elon Musk and the tech oligarchs are turning on him because all of this tariff nonsense is killing American exports.

Trump isn't a business man, he's a real estate speculator and mobster. He has never had an understanding of how a business actually works, that's why any of his ACTUAL businesses have gone bankrupt.

Stand up to him, he's unbelievably weak. He's utterly destroyed all of the soft power mechanism that have kept America as the cornerstone of the world economy because he and his band of chaos goblins don't understand the world.

You have to stand up to him because all he's doing is making people THINK he's powerful.

100% Pressure is on Trump right now - He's going at it with the entire world. EU, N. America, China. Everyone is fighting back - he's backed into a corner.

Keep up the pressure.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by kermitology

You have to stand up to him because all he's doing is making people THINK he's powerful.

He IS powerful.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Lutnick is meeting today with LeBlanc and Ford at the WH. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re looking for an off-ramp of some kind to give them an excuse to roll back some of the tariffs but then still be able to sell it to the public that Trump got a win to soothe his ego.

That's Trump 1.0 talk. A time when despite his lunacy there was experienced and to some extent competent politicians and staff surrounding him to keep things from completely disintegrating. Also was at a time when Republican Senators & Congressmen were somewhat capable of breaking with Trump on important enough items. Trump 2.0 staff are stacked with incompetent 'yes' people selected purely for loyalty for the very reason of pushing forward with his commands despite the chaos. Additionally no republican lawmaker is willing to split from Trump for fear being primaried by Musk.

Effectively there are no guardrails to the whims of someone who refuses to take or acknowledge a 'L'. The only thing stopping him is if he crashes the metaphorical car spectacularly enough it forces him to stop. Personally I just hope it's short term economic recession/depression and/or stock market meltdown that does it, before he uses the military and do damage the US can't really come back from post-Trump.

[calgarygeologist]

Interprovincial trade barriers have been a hot topic but some unions want to maintain provincial trade barriers. Time to tell the unions to go #### themselves.

Newfoundland and Labrador is the only province not participating in a national deal to allow alcohol to flow more freely across the country — and the unions representing workers at two St. John's breweries say protecting jobs needs to be the priority.

The Newfoundland and Labrador Association of Public and Private Employees (NAPE) represents about 60 employees at the Labatt-owned brewery in St. John's. NAPE president Jerry Earle says he's worried that reducing interprovincial trade rules could mean Labatt and Molson Coors would close their breweries in the city.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...rade-1.7481889

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Time to tell the unions to go #### themselves.

No, you tell the unions that additional measures will be taken to protect those jobs, so as to ensure that the continued operation of those breweries is the right move and that Labatt and Molson Coors have no reason to close them.

There are plenty of levers to pull if the thinking is that we're actually all in this together.

[Harry Lime]

Retaliatory tariffs are coming down from India and the EU, with Japan likely to follow.

It gets to the point where the US is not going to have control over the situation. They have spread the action of tariffs so thin, over so many countries, that even if they rescind their own tariffs, I would find it likely that all of the responding countries tariffs and taxes won't automatically come down in response.

At the very least, all of these countries are going to have no goodwill at all towards america. Their influence globally is going to be curtailed.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

No, you tell the unions that additional measures will be taken to protect those jobs, so as to ensure that the continued operation of those breweries is the right move and that Labatt and Molson Coors have no reason to close them.

There are plenty of levers to pull if the thinking is that we're actually all in this together.

Trade barriers always protect some jobs on one side of the barrier while hurting things overall. At some point we need to decide whether we're an actual country where the overall interests of all Canadians are the deciding factor. If we can't get there under the current circumstances we never will.

[WideReceiver]

I take delight in seeing all of these other countries implementing tariffs on the U.S. Strength in numbers.

However, I do miss the time when tariffs were used as economic strategy, not a war tactic.

[Azure]

Tariffs are the oh crap what will we do I guess we will match response.

The better response is consumer boycott of as many American based products as financially and humanly possible. That is what really makes people fill the pitch down south and supports Canadian business instead.