2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Part of the problem is going into the summer with that contract still on the books with 4 high priced Dmen signed beyond this year that are a right shot or in Brodie's case likes to play the right side.

If they trade Russell this year then yes I think you can keep Wideman until the deadline next year but Brodie needs to slide back to the left

I am on board with trading Russell this year. If this team is going to win long term, it is with Gio, Brodie and Hamilton as big 3 on D and more value priced guys, younger players making up the balance.

IMO it's a fantasy that Russell (or any other player) is going to sign this cheap, discounted contract so last thing we need is another big contract that hamstrings the rebuilding efforts.

[SuperMatt18]

Surprised at some of the dislike of Skinner, he had a remarkably unlucky season last year.

His on-ice PDO was 949, which is really really unlucky (6th worst PDO in the league). The worst team overall last year finished with a 971, so he was a big outlier in that range.

Also he was one of that only 53 NHLers that had 200 shots on goal or more last season. Jeff Skinner finished 49th of that group with a 7.7% shooting percentage.

The season he had 33 goals he had shot 12% (ranked 27th among skaters with > 200 shots), if he even duplicated that shooting percentage it would have been 10 more goals last season, or 28 goals on the year instead of 18.

IMO seems exactly like the guy you want to buy low on.

[Flash Walken]

The problem with Skinner is that he doesn't address any of the problems the flames have in terms of size, compete and defensive reliability.

He's a nice support player but doesn't address any of Calgary's needs which are, 1) Size on the wings, 2) Size up the middle 3) Size on defense.

[codynw]

PDO is the dumbest "statistic" ever.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The problem with Skinner is that he doesn't address any of the problems the flames have in terms of size, compete and defensive reliability.

He's a nice support player but doesn't address any of Calgary's needs which are, 1) Size on the wings, 2) Size up the middle 3) Size on defense.

Skinner actually improves size on the wings, assuming he's replacing Hudler he's a bit bigger, and much stronger. He also makes us faster as he's a better skater than Hudler.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by codynw

PDO is the dumbest "statistic" ever.

Not every statistic can be as revered as RGI

[saillias]

the thing that grinds my gears is the use of "on-ice" in several of these stats.

Does corsi and PDO churn when Kessel is getting a hotdog?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The problem with Skinner is that he doesn't address any of the problems the flames have in terms of size, compete and defensive reliability.

He's a nice support player but doesn't address any of Calgary's needs which are, 1) Size on the wings, 2) Size up the middle 3) Size on defense.

He addresses the need for scoring in the top 6 which is missing. At 23 he is a piece for now and the future, and is a good character kid. A change of scenery could work in his favor. Not without its risks but considering we are not proposing top assets for him it is a risk I would be okay with the Flames taking

[Drak]

Originally Posted by codynw

PDO is the dumbest "statistic" ever.

PDO Bear disagrees.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Eklund speculating Wideman to the Sens. Not sure what they have that fits the bill. We are not getting Stone, Hoffman, Turris, Zibenijad and do not want anything to do with Ryan. Maybe Michalek but I don't like that trade

I know it is Eklund so it shouldn't be entertained at all but what the hell its a Tuesday after a loss and I don't want to focus on the game last night.

What about Alex Chiasson? Does he have enough offense? Are the Sens too high on him still? Is the contract difference too much?

He has the size and from what I remember he is a bit of a pest type guy to play against.

[activeStick]

I would be weary of dealing with the Sens. Their GM seems to come out on top of every deal.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I would be weary of dealing with the Sens. Their GM seems to come out on top of every deal.

hrmm... where have we seen that before?



Challenge accepted.

[adc]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I would be weary of dealing with the Sens. Their GM seems to come out on top of every deal.

I am not sure what deals he is winning but I don't see much of a win in the Spezza, Michalek or Ryan deals. Those are the high profile deals that I can think of off the top of my head.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The problem with Skinner is that he doesn't address any of the problems the flames have in terms of size, compete and defensive reliability.

He's a nice support player but doesn't address any of Calgary's needs which are, 1) Size on the wings, 2) Size up the middle 3) Size on defense.

I would say you are missing the Flames biggest weakness in that group which is

1) Goalscoring Top 6 Forward

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by codynw

PDO is the dumbest "statistic" ever.

It's only stupid if you think it can tell you if a player/team are good or bad.

What it can do is show you if a player/team is getting some luck (high sv pct + high shooting percentage) or are having bad luck (low sv pct + low shooting percentage) that may be impacting their bottom line stats on the ice.

For example the one year difference in his shooting percentage creating a swing of 10 goals.

Which can be valuable in assessing if a one year dip in performance for a player was based on something in their game changing or maybe if it was just a bit unlucky.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by adc

I am not sure what deals he is winning but I don't see much of a win in the Spezza, Michalek or Ryan deals. Those are the high profile deals that I can think of off the top of my head.

He cleaned up on the Turris trade

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

How much grit does Chicago have in their top 6? How many times has an Evander Kane team made the playoffs?

I agree our top 6 is missing something but I think it's the proper mix of tenacity+skill. Monahan is not tenacious. Hudler is somewhat tenacious in front of the net but not so much in the corners. Backlund/Frolik can be tenacious but they're both tweeter 3rd/2nd liners. Right now we have Bennett and Gaudreau as our only tenacious top 6ers and Bennett spends half his time with bottom 6ers and Gaudreau.. teams are keying in on him like he's Gretzky.

Bennett's development is more important than people realize.

I look at the Blackhawks roster and while Kane is skilled, their tenacity comes from the pair of Toews and Hossa. Those two drive that team. It's not grit - I wouldn't call either of those players "gritty" but they are 60-70 point forwards who never lose puck battles and have a knack for driving teams crazy.

Where do we get that kind of elite forward? We have to hope our prospects continue to develop and actually get opportunities to play top 6. Bennett, Jankowski, Poirier, Klimchuk, Mangiapane all have the characteristics I think this team needs more of - Skill+Tenacity. Can they be top 6ers? I hope so. Adding a forward in this draft would sure help, wherever we end up we can't be trading the pick like we did last year. From Treliving's comments it sounded like we wanted to draft Kyle Connor who I think has that kind of top line tenacious upside.

Good points, but they need a person to bridge the gap between now and when our own talent is ready. The guys we have right now are not doing it (Ferland and Bouma might, but they are hurt).

I've always advocated having a police officer on the ice at all times. Not a goon, but a big guy that can break up scrums after whistles and keep the other team honest.

That could also be a defence man. Engelland fits the bill but he can't play enough to be an effective deterrent. That's why I, only half jokingly, liked the Chara to Calgary deal someone posted earlier in this thread.

So, just my opinion but I would like to see them add a power forward (RW) and an agitator. The other thing on my wish list would be a proper old school defence man; think Robin Regher except early twenties.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's only stupid if you think it can tell you if a player/team are good or bad.

What it can do is show you if a player/team is getting some luck (high sv pct + high shooting percentage) or are having bad luck (low sv pct + low shooting percentage) that may be impacting their bottom line stats on the ice.

For example the one year difference in his shooting percentage creating a swing of 10 goals.

Which can be valuable in assessing if a one year dip in performance for a player was based on something in their game changing or maybe if it was just a bit unlucky.

SV% and SH% are completely 100% unrelated to each other though. Look at SH% individually. That's a useful stat. Adding SH% and SV% together tells me nothing.

I bet everyone on Montreal has a high PDO. Are they "lucky"? Or do they have Carey Price on their team?

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by codynw

It's terrible. Might be the worst in the NHL if he doesn't turn it around, which I doubt he will.

I feel sick every time someone suggests a Skinner to Calgary trade. I hope Treliving is smarter than that.

Try Jordan Staal. Signed through 2023 and 0 pts to start. And coming off a crummy season.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I would be weary of dealing with the Sens. Their GM seems to come out on top of every deal.

Anaheim cleaned up in the Bobby Ryan deal. But Bryan Murray is generally ppretty savvy and isn't in a rush to do anything. So he's not in a rush like Treliving is which could be risky.