Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Soliak]

Originally Posted by nik-

No

I have seen him ranked as high as #2 overall, then below Barkov on other sites. It would be pretty awesome if he got picked up in the top 3, pushing Barkov to 5, which could be a achievable position (2 of EDM/CAR/NAS win a game, we lose both).

[ah123]

If the Flames are picking 7th, what would it take to move into the top 3? Would the Flames be willing to give up one of Brodie or Backlund to make that move?

I would be willing to give up Backlund, but I am not sure about Brodie.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by ah123

If the Flames are picking 7th, what would it take to move into the top 3? Would the Flames be willing to give up one of Brodie or Backlund to make that move?

I would be willing to give up Backlund, but I am not sure about Brodie.

Neither, don't see the point. You've got several guys in that area that could be top players.

[Soliak]

Originally Posted by ah123

If the Flames are picking 7th, what would it take to move into the top 3? Would the Flames be willing to give up one of Brodie or Backlund to make that move?

I would be willing to give up Backlund, but I am not sure about Brodie.

Backlund, Brodie, Bärtschi all untouchable IMO. I would be furious about giving up Backlund just to move down a few picks in a draft this deep.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ah123

If the Flames are picking 7th, what would it take to move into the top 3? Would the Flames be willing to give up one of Brodie or Backlund to make that move?

I would be willing to give up Backlund, but I am not sure about Brodie.

No way I'd move Backlund or Brodie to move up, too steep of a cost. Those two along with Baertschi are the best young pieces we've got moving forward. We need our young guys to have staggered age ranges.

However I would consider moving CGY 1st + PIT 1st to move up a few spots if we really are targeting someone at that spot. Not sure if it is enough to get it done. Would I move CGY 1st + STL 1st + PIT 1st? That is starting to sound too steep.

The speculation is all a bit premature until the end of the season and the draft lottery.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

However I would consider moving CGY 1st + PIT 1st to move up a few spots if we really are targeting someone at that spot. Not sure if it is enough to get it done. Would I move CGY 1st + STL 1st + PIT 1st? That is starting to sound too steep.

I would move the Penguins pick if it meant attaining MacKinnon or Drouin but not for say Barkov. I don't know if it's worth trading all three picks to move up to a spot the Flames just occupied a few weeks ago. Makes it feel like too much of a penalty for winning those games at garbage time.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by Soliak

Backlund, Brodie, Bärtschi all untouchable IMO. I would be furious about giving up Backlund just to move down a few picks in a draft this deep.

Upppppp. I doubt Feaster would trade any pre_apex player for picks or position.

Nichuskin would be a little bit surprising in the top 3, but I do think he is in the top 4 skill wise (I'd put him with Jones, Mac, Drouin) so it wouldn't be a total shocker. The fact that he won't play in the minors isnt as disconcerning because he already plays against men, and by the end of his KHL contract there is no way he wouldnt be ready for NHL.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Soliak

I have seen him ranked as high as #2 overall, then below Barkov on other sites. It would be pretty awesome if he got picked up in the top 3, pushing Barkov to 5, which could be a achievable position (2 of EDM/CAR/NAS win a game, we lose both).

He's ranked two on ISS, which I think is Russian owned/biased, and nowhere else is he that high.

He's not better than the top 3, and he's got the KHL cloud over him. There's no reason he should be picked before Jones MacKinnon or Drouin.

[Bar-Down]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Agreed! I'd rather have Bourque and the 2nd rounder right now... The only factor that will save that deal is if Ramo turns out to be amazing.

Cammy will return a 1st rounder next year at the deadline im sure. So we will still get assets, just take a year longer.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Cammy will return a 1st rounder next year at the deadline im sure. So we will still get assets, just take a year longer.

Yeah I'm hoping he has a solid regular season next year as he should fetch another first rounder for this team making the 2014 entry draft another important one for this organization.

[devo22]

if we take today's standings and assume that no one wins the lottery, my guess would be:

# 1 - Florida: D Seth Jones
Too good and too much of a building block to pass.

# 2 - Colorado: C/RW Nathan MacKinnon
Tough choice. What they'd really need is Jones, but if they plan to use MacKinnon on the wing like some scouts suggest, a Landeskog-Duchene-MacKinnon line would be pretty neat.

# 3 - Tampa Bay: LW Jonathan Drouin
A no-brainer if Jones and MacKinnon are gone. They don't have a glaring need at the center position with Stamkos and Lecavalier, but a skilled LW like Drouin makes a lot of sense.

# 4 - Nashville: C Aleksander Barkov
They don't need Barkov immediately IF he has to stay over there because of military service (I'm not sure if he has to), as they have two veterans in Fisher and Legwand. Wilson+Barkov down the middle is solid going forward.

# 5 - Carolina: RW Valeri Nishushkin
Outside of Semin and Skinner, the Hurricanes don't have quality wingers. They have locked up a Russian primadonna to a long-term contract, maybe they'd take a flyer on another one?

# 6 - Edmonton Coilers: D Darnell Nurse
Don't know if MacTavish and his scouts see it that way, but that's what they need, anyway.

# 7 - Calgary Flames: C Elias Lindholm
The Flames have the choice between him and Monahan in this scenario. Both look very solid going forward and you probably can't go wrong with either one of them. I like Lindholm slightly more, so he gets the nod in this scenario.

# 8 - Philadelphia Flyers: D Rasmus Ristolainen
They already have very good and young center depth, so they pass on Monahan. They lack a good prospect on the blue line and could need a puck-moving defenseman, as Timonen doesn't get younger and Carle is gone. Therefore, they go with Ristolainen.

# 9 - Buffalo Sabres: C Sean Monahan
They already have good center depth, but given that they have two first rounders, they can afford to go BPA here and Monahan is too good to pass up at this point.

#10 - New Jersey Devils: D Nikita Zadorov
Zidlicky, Salvador and Tallinder are all in their mid 30s, and in addition to Larsson and Merrill, this gives the Devils a great foundation on the blueline.

[azzarish]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

However I would consider moving CGY 1st + PIT 1st to move up a few spots if we really are targeting someone at that spot. Not sure if it is enough to get it done. Would I move CGY 1st + STL 1st + PIT 1st? That is starting to sound too steep.

The speculation is all a bit premature until the end of the season and the draft lottery.

Is there a significant difference in talent/potential between the top 3 and the next 3/4 to warrant giving up our PIT 1st and our 1st to move up a few places?

Is for example:

MacKinnon > Lindholm/Monahan + potential 27-30th 1st rounder

Or

Lindholm/Monahan + 27-30th pick > MacKinnon

That's what we have to determine.

[Trojan97]

Originally Posted by Soliak

Do you guys think there is a chance of Nichushkin being picked in the top 3?

4th at best IMO.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by devo22

if we take today's standings and assume that no one wins the lottery, my guess would be:

# 1 - Florida: D Seth Jones
Too good and too much of a building block to pass.

# 2 - Colorado: C/RW Nathan MacKinnon
Tough choice. What they'd really need is Jones, but if they plan to use MacKinnon on the wing like some scouts suggest, a Landeskog-Duchene-MacKinnon line would be pretty neat.

# 3 - Tampa Bay: LW Jonathan Drouin
A no-brainer if Jones and MacKinnon are gone. They don't have a glaring need at the center position with Stamkos and Lecavalier, but a skilled LW like Drouin makes a lot of sense.

# 4 - Nashville: C Aleksander Barkov
They don't need Barkov immediately IF he has to stay over there because of military service (I'm not sure if he has to), as they have two veterans in Fisher and Legwand. Wilson+Barkov down the middle is solid going forward.

# 5 - Carolina: RW Valeri Nishushkin
Outside of Semin and Skinner, the Hurricanes don't have quality wingers. They have locked up a Russian primadonna to a long-term contract, maybe they'd take a flyer on another one?

# 6 - Edmonton Coilers: D Darnell Nurse
Don't know if MacTavish and his scouts see it that way, but that's what they need, anyway.

# 7 - Calgary Flames: C Elias Lindholm
The Flames have the choice between him and Monahan in this scenario. Both look very solid going forward and you probably can't go wrong with either one of them. I like Lindholm slightly more, so he gets the nod in this scenario.

# 8 - Philadelphia Flyers: D Rasmus Ristolainen
They already have very good and young center depth, so they pass on Monahan. They lack a good prospect on the blue line and could need a puck-moving defenseman, as Timonen doesn't get younger and Carle is gone. Therefore, they go with Ristolainen.

# 9 - Buffalo Sabres: C Sean Monahan
They already have good center depth, but given that they have two first rounders, they can afford to go BPA here and Monahan is too good to pass up at this point.

#10 - New Jersey Devils: D Nikita Zadorov
Zidlicky, Salvador and Tallinder are all in their mid 30s, and in addition to Larsson and Merrill, this gives the Devils a great foundation on the blueline.

That actually looks perfect for every team. Let's hope that's how it goes down on draft day.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by azzarish

Is there a significant difference in talent/potential between the top 3 and the next 3/4 to warrant giving up our PIT 1st and our 1st to move up a few places?

Is for example:

MacKinnon > Lindholm/Monahan + potential 27-30th 1st rounder

Or

Lindholm/Monahan + 27-30th pick > MacKinnon

That's what we have to determine.

I think it takes more then late firsts to move into the top 3. Historically a top 3 pick has been way better then a 6th. Considering no scouting agencies have guys like Monahan/Lindholm in the top 5 there is likely a sizable gap.

[tendulkar23]

Originally Posted by devo22

if we take today's standings and assume that no one wins the lottery, my guess would be:

# 1 - Florida: D Seth Jones
Too good and too much of a building block to pass.

# 2 - Colorado: C/RW Nathan MacKinnon
Tough choice. What they'd really need is Jones, but if they plan to use MacKinnon on the wing like some scouts suggest, a Landeskog-Duchene-MacKinnon line would be pretty neat.

# 3 - Tampa Bay: LW Jonathan Drouin
A no-brainer if Jones and MacKinnon are gone. They don't have a glaring need at the center position with Stamkos and Lecavalier, but a skilled LW like Drouin makes a lot of sense.

# 4 - Nashville: C Aleksander Barkov
They don't need Barkov immediately IF he has to stay over there because of military service (I'm not sure if he has to), as they have two veterans in Fisher and Legwand. Wilson+Barkov down the middle is solid going forward.

# 5 - Carolina: RW Valeri Nishushkin
Outside of Semin and Skinner, the Hurricanes don't have quality wingers. They have locked up a Russian primadonna to a long-term contract, maybe they'd take a flyer on another one?

# 6 - Edmonton Coilers: D Darnell Nurse
Don't know if MacTavish and his scouts see it that way, but that's what they need, anyway.

# 7 - Calgary Flames: C Elias Lindholm
The Flames have the choice between him and Monahan in this scenario. Both look very solid going forward and you probably can't go wrong with either one of them. I like Lindholm slightly more, so he gets the nod in this scenario.

# 8 - Philadelphia Flyers: D Rasmus Ristolainen
They already have very good and young center depth, so they pass on Monahan. They lack a good prospect on the blue line and could need a puck-moving defenseman, as Timonen doesn't get younger and Carle is gone. Therefore, they go with Ristolainen.

# 9 - Buffalo Sabres: C Sean Monahan
They already have good center depth, but given that they have two first rounders, they can afford to go BPA here and Monahan is too good to pass up at this point.

#10 - New Jersey Devils: D Nikita Zadorov
Zidlicky, Salvador and Tallinder are all in their mid 30s, and in addition to Larsson and Merrill, this gives the Devils a great foundation on the blueline.

That's a really solid prediction, I agree with every pick except Zadarov. I think he will be picked in the late teens.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I would hate to see the Flames package their picks to move up. They should be using the picks in this draft to develop some depth and hedge their bets. I'd rather they take three guys like Lindholm, Gauthier and Petan than rolling the dice on one top end player. McKinnon is a guy I'd love to see in a Flames uniform, but both Lindholm and Gauthier have big potential in the middle and Petan has massive wild card potential as well. If all three of those picks work out you have a very good problem on your hand. If you move them for one guy, and that guy busts, you have a huge problem on your hands. More lottery tickets is probably a better strategy for the Flames right now.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by devo22

if we take today's standings and assume that no one wins the lottery, my guess would be:

# 1 - Florida: D Seth Jones
Too good and too much of a building block to pass.

# 2 - Colorado: C/RW Nathan MacKinnon
Tough choice. What they'd really need is Jones, but if they plan to use MacKinnon on the wing like some scouts suggest, a Landeskog-Duchene-MacKinnon line would be pretty neat.

# 3 - Tampa Bay: LW Jonathan Drouin
A no-brainer if Jones and MacKinnon are gone. They don't have a glaring need at the center position with Stamkos and Lecavalier, but a skilled LW like Drouin makes a lot of sense.

# 4 - Nashville: C Aleksander Barkov
They don't need Barkov immediately IF he has to stay over there because of military service (I'm not sure if he has to), as they have two veterans in Fisher and Legwand. Wilson+Barkov down the middle is solid going forward.

# 5 - Carolina: RW Valeri Nishushkin
Outside of Semin and Skinner, the Hurricanes don't have quality wingers. They have locked up a Russian primadonna to a long-term contract, maybe they'd take a flyer on another one?

# 6 - Edmonton Coilers: D Darnell Nurse
Don't know if MacTavish and his scouts see it that way, but that's what they need, anyway.

# 7 - Calgary Flames: C Elias Lindholm
The Flames have the choice between him and Monahan in this scenario. Both look very solid going forward and you probably can't go wrong with either one of them. I like Lindholm slightly more, so he gets the nod in this scenario.

# 8 - Philadelphia Flyers: D Rasmus Ristolainen
They already have very good and young center depth, so they pass on Monahan. They lack a good prospect on the blue line and could need a puck-moving defenseman, as Timonen doesn't get younger and Carle is gone. Therefore, they go with Ristolainen.

# 9 - Buffalo Sabres: C Sean Monahan
They already have good center depth, but given that they have two first rounders, they can afford to go BPA here and Monahan is too good to pass up at this point.

#10 - New Jersey Devils: D Nikita Zadorov
Zidlicky, Salvador and Tallinder are all in their mid 30s, and in addition to Larsson and Merrill, this gives the Devils a great foundation on the blueline.

With Colorado, you never know what they're up to. I could see them draft MacKinnon, trade Stastny for D help/ winger help, and if there's still a sour feeling with ROR then I could see them dealing him next February for a solid D prospect/player. They'll be an interesting team to keep an eye on for the next year or so.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by tendulkar23

That's a really solid prediction, I agree with every pick except Zadarov. I think he will be picked in the late teens.

yeah, maybe Zadorov is too high at #10 ... they could easily go with someone like Shinkaruk or another defenseman like Pulock.

Originally Posted by $ven27

With Colorado, you never know what they're up to. I could see them draft MacKinnon, trade Stastny for D help/ winger help, and if there's still a sour feeling with ROR then I could see them dealing him next February for a solid D prospect/player. They'll be an interesting team to keep an eye on for the next year or so.

true. Even more reason to think that they'd take MacKinnon over Drouin at 2 if Jones is gone.

[moon]

Originally Posted by ah123

If the Flames are picking 7th, what would it take to move into the top 3? Would the Flames be willing to give up one of Brodie or Backlund to make that move?

I would be willing to give up Backlund, but I am not sure about Brodie.

I would be willing to give up Backlund but probably not Brodie. I really want MacKinnon but Brodie has shown enough to be a very useful piece going forward.

Would obviously depend on where we are and where are we moving to.

For example not sure I want to move Backlund for a move from 5/6 to 3 but from 7/8th to 2nd to get MacKinnon then sure.