Think about it though would you want Hanifin back if we let him negotiate with other teams and didn't get the same offer so he just took ours.
Conroy said he wants players here who want to be here, if he is not signing now but only to come back for money that is not a player you want.
Yeah, I would.
I think people forget that players are also just people. They can want different things for different reasons. Hanifin might love it here but like the idea of playing in the US just as much. And him not wanting to leave because the offers aren’t as good doesn’t mean he’s only staying for the money, it could just as well mean he doesn’t want to leave enough to take a pay cut to do it.
I like where I work. I would leave if I got a far better offer. There are also dream jobs that I’d love but wouldn’t take a big pay cut to take them. That doesn’t mean I like where I work any less or wouldn’t do the best job I could do. I don’t see why people think players are any different.
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I said that like a week ago when I gave my Hanifin update that the offer would remain on the table.
Is it possible that the offers on the table are just not meeting the flames expectations and it might be wise to not close the door on a contract extension based on that?
Just make the deals. I can't take much more waiting.
Not trying to pick on you specifically, as I have seen this sentiment posted numerous times over the last week.
But why? Personally, this is the most excitement I have felt as a fan in almost 2 years. Would it be nice to have something happen? Yeah. Will it suck if nothing happens pre trade deadline? Yes, definitely. But it's still more than 2 weeks away. Might as well enjoy some of the excitement.
To quote my all time favourite hockey quote from any player ever:
"why you heff to be mad? it's just a game."
It's all for entertainment. Are you not entertained?
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Not trying to pick on you specifically, as I have seen this sentiment posted numerous times over the last week.
But why? Personally, this is the most excitement I have felt as a fan in almost 2 years. Would it be nice to have something happen? Yeah. Will it suck if nothing happens pre trade deadline? Yes, definitely. But it's still more than 2 weeks away. Might as well enjoy some of the excitement.
To quote my all time favourite hockey quote from any player ever:
"why you heff to be mad? it's just a game."
It's all for entertainment. Are you not entertained?
Just a personality trait. If I can get my stuff done and move on, I'd rather do it asap.
I'm not mad, I am entertained. I'm excited AF, think of it also like.it Xmas eve and I want to see what everyone got right now.
I also thought the Lindholm trade was going to be a chain reaction event as well. But it wasn't.
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The Quest stands upon the edge of a knife. Stray but a little, and it will fail, to the ruin of all. Yet hope remains while the Company is true. Go Flames Go!
Is it possible that the offers on the table are just not meeting the flames expectations and it might be wise to not close the door on a contract extension based on that?
The Flames preference has always been to keep Hanifin, if he has a change of heart they want to make sure he knows they would still like to sign him.
Couldn’t a conversation like this happen if the flames aren’t in the room:
New team GM: “We really want you on the team and you’ve made it clear you want to be on our team too… but the price the flames want for us to get you under a signed extension is really high and it would mean giving up assets that could help us and you win a cup this year or in the next few years. If we both agree that we’ll sign the extension a few months/weeks from now, we can just tell the flames that you don’t really want to sign an extension with us. That way we can just pay the rental price for you instead of the ‘extension in place” price.”
Player: “Well, you’re the team I really want to be on and I want to win cups with you so I guess we can do that.”
But if the Flames are "in the room", there is still nothing that would prevent that (unlikely) scenario. All that matters is that if there is no extension in place, then the Flames shop Hanifin as a rental. There is no guarantee that he would end up with the team he wants to sign long term, and as Johnny found out, there is no guarantee that team will want him come July 1.
In my opinion, I don't see the rental price being all that different. In this scenario we have 2 or 3 teams that could be on the extension list. None have particularly good picks or prospects. There could be 8-10 team (plus those 2 or 3) that might kick the tires on Hanifin as a rental. That should lead to some leverage for the Flames even in a rental scenario.
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From HFBoard oiler fan, in analyzing MacT's management:
O.K. there has been a lot of talk on whether or not MacTavish has actually done a good job for us, most fans on this board are very basic in their analysis and I feel would change their opinion entirely if the team was successful.
Interesting note from this is that the Devils have some pressure to make the playoffs cause the playoff revenue is high.
I think the most interesting thing is the retention piece. So Friedman kind of confirms that the Flames will retain they just want to be paid a lot for it. So question now becomes is the value they want so out of market that they basically won't retain or are they just playing hardball. Will be interesting to find out.
I think the most interesting thing is the retention piece. So Friedman kind of confirms that the Flames will retain they just want to be paid a lot for it. So question now becomes is the value they want so out of market that they basically won't retain or are they just playing hardball. Will be interesting to find out.
I don't think we know if they want to be paid "a lot" for it.
Just that they want to be compensated for it. Perhaps they are getting lowballed on it?
I think the most interesting thing is the retention piece. So Friedman kind of confirms that the Flames will retain they just want to be paid a lot for it. So question now becomes is the value they want so out of market that they basically won't retain or are they just playing hardball. Will be interesting to find out.
Pagnotta was on the Fan this morning, he said NJ wanted the Flames to retain 2-3 million/year. To me that would be a first round pick, and a late round pick if it's closer to 3 million a year.
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I don't think we know if they want to be paid "a lot" for it.
Just that they want to be compensated for it. Perhaps they are getting lowballed on it?
Friedman says they have set a high value on it which is fine but if it is higher than whatever the perceived market value is then will make things tougher.
Pagnotta was on the Fan this morning, he said NJ wanted the Flames to retain 2-3 million/year. To me that would be a first round pick, and a late round pick if it's closer to 3 million a year.
Yeah, Friedman talked about how every team has value levels for retention. Could be a case of the Flames being high and the Devils being low. I hope we find out before the deadline.
