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Old 10-01-2013, 11:42 PM   #2301
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I'd say the finale was pretty much a perfect way to wrap up the series. A freezing in the car/The Shining/Newheart ending would have been a kick in the teeth to fans of the show, IMO. As corporatejay said, it's pure and utter hackery, and not at all what I would expect given the writing standards of the rest of the series.

About the only other way to end it that I would have found satisfying (and mentioned by Gilligan when discussing alternate drafts) would have been for everyone but Walt to die. Holly, Marie, Walt Jr, Skylar, Jesse, Saul, the guy that played cards with him, you name it. Anyone that Walt ever cared about dead and the final scene is him living alone with the destruction that he's caused.

Going into the last few episodes I was kind of hoping that was the way it was going to turn, but on further reflection that's horrendously dark (albeit still a fitting fate for Walt), and I'm probably happier with it ending the way it did.
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Old 10-02-2013, 12:47 AM   #2302
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I wasn't happy that Walt died happy. And the Grey Matter thing was extremely contrived, but he couldn't die happy without providing for his family, so they had to do something if that's the ending they envisioned.

I'm on board with whoever suggested a car bomb. You have a much better chance of getting everyone with that as opposed to a jerry-rigged machine gun oscillating back and forth. Plus it involves chemistry. Whatever, the climax was Hank dying and the rest was just a coda, although a coda that reinforces Walt destroying everything via his hubris would have been better than a coda softening that message.
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I wasn't happy that Walt died happy. And the Grey Matter thing was extremely contrived, but he couldn't die happy without providing for his family, so they had to do something if that's the ending they envisioned.

I'm on board with whoever suggested a car bomb. You have a much better chance of getting everyone with that as opposed to a jerry-rigged machine gun oscillating back and forth. Plus it involves chemistry. Whatever, the climax was Hank dying and the rest was just a coda, although a coda that reinforces Walt destroying everything via his hubris would have been better than a coda softening that message.
I was hoping they (the nazis) did actually take him up on his offer to show them a new way to cook meth without methylamine. They had already made a point of showing Jack displaying a total lack of disregard for his own safety by not donning a mask during Todd's meth cook.

Any way that it went down would have been contrived - to take out all of the nazis was quite fortunate, not knowing how close he could actually park to the club house or whether it was built from brick. It's all luck really.

Maybe a smarter option would have been to make a secondary weapon, like the car bomb idea that he could have activated had the gun not done the trick. It wouldn't have been a stretch for him to have gotten the appropriate chemicals or pre-made explosives for that.
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:15 AM   #2304
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Walt doesn't seem like someone willing to commit suicide though, so maybe that's why the car bomb idea wouldn't work for him. That and it's just as inefficient as the gun would have been, who knows if detonating the bomb outside the house would have killed all the occupants inside. He needed a 100% success rate as if anyone had survived they likely would have gone after Skyler and his family as retribution. In that way I honestly think the rail gun works a heck of lot better than a bomb.

Then of course you need to consider resource management and that maybe it was easier for him to just buy the gun and create his spring contraption, rather than finding all the materials (and taking the time) needed to build a bomb capable of taking out the entire gang of Nazi's. He was under extreme time limitations as the cops were on his trail after he left NH. Really he was put into a now or never situation, and using the gun was his last (and easiest) resort.

That and an explosion killing off the main characters would have been a real letdown ending for the series.
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:15 AM   #2305
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I wish Andrea would have lived. It woulda made Jesse's escape feel better. As it is now, I really don't know what's next for him. Sure he gets away, but he might have been better off dead.

It's kinda like he lost more than Walt. Walt's family lived, and it appears his kids will get the money. Jesse lost pretty much everything.
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:01 AM   #2306
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I wish Andrea would have lived. It woulda made Jesse's escape feel better. As it is now, I really don't know what's next for him. Sure he gets away, but he might have been better off dead.

It's kinda like he lost more than Walt. Walt's family lived, and it appears his kids will get the money. Jesse lost pretty much everything.
This saddened me too. It made the Todd death that much more satisfying, so I see why it had to happen, but it's still a big downer.

I prefer to think Jesse goes to take care of Brock.
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Anyone else think Taylor Hall and Todd look alike?
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:55 AM   #2308
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Anyone else think Taylor Hall and Todd look alike?
ummm Todd looks exactly like a slow Matt Damon, or a beatened up Matt Damon.
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ummm Todd looks exactly like a slow Matt Damon, or a beatened up Matt Damon.
Or a marionette version of Matt Damon.
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I can't realistically imagine Jesse having a fate other than spending the rest of his life in an insane asylum.
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:03 PM   #2311
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Even though Walt got Jesse into everything, the only reason Jesse was alive at the end because he cooking Walts way. I remember at the start when he was teaching a bunch of disinterested high school kids. Jesse, the bad student, actually listened and became a talented cook.
Jesse was cooking meth before Walt. In the very first episode, Jesse is partnered with a Mexican cook in a house that was raided by Hank while Walt is on a ride-a-long. Jesse wasn't caught because he was banging some chick across the street. Walt saw Jesse run, tracked his address down from old high school records, and proposed a partnership (and manipulated Jesse by saying he'd turn him in to the DEA for cooking/dealing if he didn't help).
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Meth Damon.
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Jesse would have been executed in the first episode had he not met up with Walt. Crazy 8 informed on Jesse and Emilio's operation, but when Emilio posted bail, he believed that it was Jesse who informed on him. To cover himself, Crazy 8 went along with this and captured Jesse. Walt has saved Jesse at least 3 other times in this series. Guy should show Walt some respect.
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This saddened me too. It made the Todd death that much more satisfying, so I see why it had to happen, but it's still a big downer.

I prefer to think Jesse goes to take care of Brock.
Yeah that's what I want to think too, but even that's a bit messed up. First of all, no mommy, but more than that... anytime the question comes up, or Jesse even looks at Brock he's probably going to go through a bunch of guilt. It's not like she was hit by a car, his actions got her in trouble. Even though you can't outright blame him, that's where his thoughts would go.
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Jesse would have been executed in the first episode had he not met up with Walt. Crazy 8 informed on Jesse and Emilio's operation, but when Emilio posted bail, he believed that it was Jesse who informed on him. To cover himself, Crazy 8 went along with this and captured Jesse. Walt has saved Jesse at least 3 other times in this series. Guy should show Walt some respect.
I count letting Jane die as saving him as well.
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Or a marionette version of Matt Damon.
Matt Stajan?
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I wonder of there was any serious thought with the writers to have this thing end with Walter surviving and coming out of it with his empire and family in tact. Obviously by the time the last few episodes popped up that ship had sailed.
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I thought Todd was Paul Kruse!!
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I thought Todd was Paul Kruse!!
No. Paul Kruse was the albino in the Davinci Code.
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