[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Spurs

People have said to me multiple times just be positive...

If this is what you think anyone here has been saying to you, then I seriously question your ability to read.


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[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

My latest intel comes from Tuesday. The Flames offer is still 8.5M x 8. The Lindholm camp has been at 9M all along, the gap is not big enough it can't be figured out but there are other things that still are not done, like signing bonus and salary structure. I am not privy to what each side is asking there. I am not worried about Lindholm leaving at this point, I am extremely confident he will get done.

Any news on hanifin? I’m more concerned with him because he is not even entertaining re-signing with flames

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I hope hanifin is dealt during training camp because I'd like to see the post-hanifin defense group have the whole season to mesh and figure itself out.

If you trade hanifin at the deadline then you're dealing a blow to your defense right when you're likely in the thick of the playoff chase, and they may not be able to adjust down the stretch.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s pretty much the exact opposite of defeatist by any definition.

I was going to point that out, but glad you did. That word keeps getting thrown around at the people holding optimism. Makes absolutely no sense.

[traptor]

I didn't say there's no reason for optimism and that people who are optimistic are defeatist. I too have optimismistic view points regarding this team.


The mantra of "just get in and anything can happen" is defeatist to me.


Sure on it's surface layer it appears to not be.

But that's not the mantra of a true contender. Rue contenders arent dreaming about if only they could get in.That's a mantra of a bubble team.

To me, labeling yourself as a middling team before the season even starts is defeatist.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by traptor

I didn't say there's no reason for optimism and that people who are optimistic are defeatist. I too have optimismistic view points regarding this team.


The mantra of "just get in and anything can happen" is defeatist to me.


Sure on it's surface layer it appears to not be.

But that's not the mantra of a true contender. Rue contenders arent dreaming about if only they could get in.That's a mantra of a bubble team.

To me, labeling yourself as a middling team before the season even starts is defeatist.

Personally, I think they can win the division.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by traptor

I didn't say there's no reason for optimism and that people who are optimistic are defeatist. I too have optimismistic view points regarding this team.


The mantra of "just get in and anything can happen" is defeatist to me.


Sure on it's surface layer it appears to not be.

But that's not the mantra of a true contender. Rue contenders arent dreaming about if only they could get in.That's a mantra of a bubble team.

To me, labeling yourself as a middling team before the season even starts is defeatist.

First of all, please cite anyone here that says that as a “mantra”. Second of all, this is a team that was highly competitive two years ago. They lost two top level players, gained two (albeit one at D) and also an upper-mid centre. The team has a goal and they are seeing if last year was a true reflection or a bad year.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Any news on hanifin? I’m more concerned with him because he is not even entertaining re-signing with flames

Nothing new there. I really wish there was but I have not heard anything about Hanifin in a while. Hopefully as we get into camp interest picks up again. I can tell you the offers better improve from the last ones or this might drag on for a while.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

First of all, please cite anyone here that says that as a “mantra”. Second of all, this is a team that was highly competitive two years ago. They lost two top level players, gained two (albeit one at D) and also an upper-mid centre. The team has a goal and they are seeing if last year was a true reflection or a bad year.

I never said anyone here said that? I've heard the 960 guys say it, conroy, lindy and others.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by traptor

I didn't say there's no reason for optimism and that people who are optimistic are defeatist. I too have optimismistic view points regarding this team.


The mantra of "just get in and anything can happen" is defeatist to me.


Sure on it's surface layer it appears to not be.

But that's not the mantra of a true contender. Rue contenders arent dreaming about if only they could get in.That's a mantra of a bubble team.

To me, labeling yourself as a middling team before the season even starts is defeatist.

You’re misunderstanding the “mantra.”

It’s not that just getting in is good enough. It’s that you have to get in, and then anything can happen. Conroy himself has clarified that, specifically talking about how they missed the playoffs by a point while Florida got in and made noise, but you need to actually get in to have that opportunity.

Suggesting that anyone thinks the goal is to simply get into the playoffs and nothing more is a bit wacky. But getting into the playoffs is absolutely the first goal. That’s why they’ve made changes to try to improve. Not because they’re happy right where they are as a team that maybe will/maybe won’t be in the playoffs like the team last year, but because they want to compete. They know they missed the playoffs, so they know the first step is making them.

“Get in and anything can happen” is not defeatist no matter how you slice it or regardless of the angle you view it from. It’s reality.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You’re misunderstanding the “mantra.”

It’s not that just getting in is good enough. It’s that you have to get in, and then anything can happen. Conroy himself has clarified that, specifically talking about how they missed the playoffs by a point while Florida got in and made noise, but you need to actually get in to have that opportunity.

Suggesting that anyone thinks the goal is to simply get into the playoffs and nothing more is a bit wacky. But getting into the playoffs is absolutely the first goal. That’s why they’ve made changes to try to improve. Not because they’re happy right where they are as a team that maybe will/maybe won’t be in the playoffs like the team last year, but because they want to compete. They know they missed the playoffs, so they know the first step is making them.

“Get in and anything can happen” is not defeatist no matter how you slice it or regardless of the angle you view it from. It’s reality.

Man, some of you guys are unbearable conversationalist. So condensing and confrontational of differing opinions.

I guess that's what appens when you spend 16 hrs a day on a hockey forum..

"It's reality". No it's a quote. There's nothing factual about it, it's open to interpretation.

Anyways, my last post here. Best of luck.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I hope hanifin is dealt during training camp because I'd like to see the post-hanifin defense group have the whole season to mesh and figure itself out.

If you trade hanifin at the deadline then you're dealing a blow to your defense right when you're likely in the thick of the playoff chase, and they may not be able to adjust down the stretch.

Ideally, getting the Lindholm and Backlund situation(s) worked out ASAP would be better for the same reasons. It would be a disaster if we were firmly entrenched in a playoff spot at the deadline, and one or both players were still unwilling to sign extensions.

[Kipper_3434]

I'm starting to believe that the flames should be the ones waiting to see how the season goes before signing Lindholm. While I believe the reported 8.5m aav is a fair rate, it will only likely be a decent contract for the first half, much like the Huberdeau and Kadri contracts. If nearly 70m is on the table right now Lindholm should have signed. I know it's rumoured he wants trade protection but how can you say no to that guaranteed money?

Is there any chance that management is delaying the signing to see if the team will be dragged into a rebuild?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I hope hanifin is dealt during training camp because I'd like to see the post-hanifin defense group have the whole season to mesh and figure itself out.

If you trade hanifin at the deadline then you're dealing a blow to your defense right when you're likely in the thick of the playoff chase, and they may not be able to adjust down the stretch.

Or worse, we don't trade him at all because we're in the mix and decide to treat him like a "deadline rental pick up" because we don't want to send the wrong message to the team.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Or worse, we don't trade him at all because we're in the mix and decide to treat him like a "deadline rental pick up" because we don't want to send the wrong message to the team.

Question. Is it better to keep Hanifin in that scenario as a rental for the playoff run or is it better to trade him below market value and then end up spending draft picks, possibly a 1st to shore up the D group for that run? I am firmly in the get assets for him camp but some might be ok with the other scenario if the team looks really good.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by traptor

Man, some of you guys are unbearable conversationalist. So condensing and confrontational of differing opinions.

I guess that's what appens when you spend 16 hrs a day on a hockey forum..

"It's reality". No it's a quote. There's nothing factual about it, it's open to interpretation.

Anyways, my last post here. Best of luck.

Don’t be so defeatist.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Don’t be so defeatist.

Don't be so facetious

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Question. Is it better to keep Hanifin in that scenario as a rental for the playoff run or is it better to trade him below market value and then end up spending draft picks, possibly a 1st to shore up the D group for that run? I am firmly in the get assets for him camp but some might be ok with the other scenario if the team looks really good.

Spinning the non-trade of a pending UFA as an “internal rental” is what crap organizations do with fans they don’t respect. I don’t even care if that’s the direction the team takes with Hanifin and co., I’d understand why (even if I think it’s the wrong approach). But treating fans like gullible idiots probably isn’t the approach I would take before soliciting them for a price hike and using their tax dollars to build a new arena for the billionaire owner.

[UKflames]

Does the retirement penalties still exist for contracts signed at age 30? If so would a Lindholm contract come under that rule, is it the age the contract starts?

[Britflamesfan]

So Lindholm is still sitting on the fence, he is not showing much commitment to the team is he, despite an enormous offer that will see him and his family very well off for the rest of their lives. I am no longer interested in him and the team should move on from him.

The thought of what state this team might be in in 4 years is frightening. New nickname for the flames, The Pensioners.