2010 NFL Regular Season Thread

[CaramonLS]

I'll admit, I have a soft spot for the Bengals, but geez, they make some boneheaded decisions. They've got a great deal of talent too.

[CaramonLS]

Then Palmer tosses a gift to PITT.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

With a depleted receivig corps, it's almost a given that Tarvaris Jackson is incapable of doing that.

But my question is how do we know?! We haven't seen the guy throw a ball (except for two plays last week against NE) in two years.

I expect him to have soaked up a mighty lot from backing up Favre, the same way Rodgers did. No, I am not equating Aarong Rodgers and Tarvaris Jackson, other than the fact that they have both been Favre's backup and should have taken a whole lot from #4.

With the new coaching staff coming in next year (yes, I'm making the assumption), they have to know whether to target a QB or not. If things keep going south, they have to put Jackson in to know if he can do ANYTHING. Jackson is a Childress project, supposed to be the next McNabb. If Chilly goes, I can't see how T-Jack doesn't follow.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Seriously? Tavaris Jackson is a better choice than Brett Favre? OK then. You do understand that Jackson throws INT's as well right....or is that not factored in?

Sigh, you don't read do you?! Do I think Jackson would throw INTs? Did I say he would go with no INTs? No, he's the kind of guy who's not a gun slinger, who will not blow off the playcalling and try to be the hero.

Read my post again, IF HE CAN MANAGE THE GAME, he will be successful, because then the offense will go through Adrian Peterson again. We can get back to hard-nosed football.

Put it this way....regardless of "why" the Vikes were down 14 late (and ignoring that there was a fumble return (not by Favre) and a kickoff return for TD's that got them there) do you truly belive that Jackson would have been able to pull off what happened yesterday??

No, and never did I say we could have pulled off a win like that yesterday. But we also may not have lost the 2-3 games that Brett Favre lost for this team.

Yes, he lost them for the team. While you blame the receivers, the running backs, the offensive line, etc. (aka ANYONE BUT FAVRE), I will put it on Favre. And I'm not alone within the Viking fan faithful.

Yeah...and when the play caller is clearly appearing to be an absolute powermonger and a complete idiot with multiple players over the course of 7 days, I would imagine that the entire team sees "something wrong there".

Again, if you could read my posts, you would know I'm no Childress fan. In fact I blame this whole fiasco on Mr. Brad Childress. But I guess me not calling for his head for 2 years now has really set in for you.

Apologist? You should never apologize for your team winning a game...something you and Childress seemingly have no ability to do. But anyone who believes that Tavaris friggin Jackson is anywhere close to doing what Brett Favre can do when it matters is...

a) in denial

b) insane.

Your choice I guess.

Someone said that Favre was unable to be classified with those that have so many 4th Q comebacks and when I read it I laughed. Yesterday was #47 according to the FOX guys..."yeah but he throws INT's"...like no one else does.

The numbers are what they are but now that wont count either.

I apologize not for Brett Favre, but for the single best football player I have ever seen, and I do it only when those so blinded by hate for the guy cant get over that fact. He is not the guy he was even 5 years ago, but he is still a guy that knows everything about the position and his club...moreso this season than his coach does which makes me laugh even more.

Jackson>>>Favre? Laughable in any discussion of rational football talk...ever.

Yes, you are a Favre apologist. You have a bigger crush on the guy than John Madden.

When you see Brett Favre in a purple uniform, you are mistaking him for the Brett Favre of old.

I get it, the guy is a god for you and plenty of Packer fans around the world. I don't disagree that he is one of the best QBs ever, but he's not playing like it right now.

Again, never said Jackson is BETTER than Favre. But perhaps, just perhaps, he won't lose this team games, and other players will win them. I'm sick of living and dying by Brett Favre's sword.

You told me to stand up, and I stood up. I'm not going to change my tune because he had one good game. Even if he goes undefeated for the rest of the season, I will stand by what I said. Jackson may give this team a better chance to win, especially if Favre plays like a rookie. Like he had in almost every game prior to this one. If that makes me insane or in denial, that is just fine.

But this is honestly the last time I'll discuss Favre with you because you are too much of a Favre fan boy to deal with any criticism of him. So continue to guzzle the Favre juice, just don't expect everyone else to share your sentiments on him.

And just in case you need to see it again. Jackson is not >>>>>> than Favre. But if Jackson manages a game and hands the rock to AP/Gerhart, that might just minimize the errors that cost this team so dearly in the early going of this season.

[Flickered Flame]

Bengals marching with a minute to go. In the red zone now down by 6.

[Slava]

All comes down to this play!

[CaramonLS]

And it's over. At least the Bungles kept it interesting.

[KTown]

For a moment I thought we were going to see something special, then I realized that it's the Bungles!

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Wow the Bengals are a bad team.

Palmer is no Favre.

[CaramonLS]

Leave it to Palmer to toss it to his 4th best receiving option on the field.

Steelers were rushing 5 or 6 guys all night, get 81 or 85 on a short slant or drag route and let them work. Poor decision making + some poor play calling.

[KTown]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Leave it to Palmer to toss it to his 4th best receiving option on the field.

Steelers were rushing 5 or 6 guys all night, get 81 or 85 on a short slant or drag route and let them work. Poor decision making + some poor play calling.

It was terrible play calling. How do you slow down a blitz, throw a few screen passes. when the steelers where sending the farm on every play during that last drive a few screens would have had a good chance to gain 10+ yards.

[OILFAN #81]

So it seems that the Jets/Patriots and Steelers/Ravens will all make the playoffs at this point with the 2nd place winner in those divisions getting the wild card as the AFC South and AFC West will probably only have the division winner going to the playoffs.

No real clear cut favorite at this point in the AFC but I think Pittsburgh IMO is right now the slight favorite to get out of the AFC.

[KTown]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

So it seems that the Jets/Patriots and Steelers/Ravens will all make the playoffs at this point with the 2nd place winner in those divisions getting the wild card as the AFC South and AFC West will probably only have the division winner going to the playoffs.

No real clear cut favorite at this point in the AFC but I think Pittsburgh IMO is right now the slight favorite to get out of the AFC.

How can you say that?

The steelers still have to play the Jets and Patriots, while the Patriots still have to play the Jets as well. One of those teams could easily lose both thos games and end up at 4 losses. Not to mention the Steelers still have to play a tough Ravens team. With all those tough games one of those can easily fall back into the pack and make the 6th playoff spot an interesting one down the stretch.

There is too many big games left for you to call it. a team at 5-3 or 4-4 has a legit shot. Not to mention Baltimore is in Atlanta this Thursday. Also Indy has to play in NE. Baltimore also still has to play New Orleans.

There are lost of big games left. Way to early to tell and we saw what happened in Cleveland this week-end. to the Pats.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by KTown

How can you say that?

The steelers still have to play the Jets and Patriots, while the Patriots still have to play the Jets as well. One of those teams could easily lose both thos games and end up at 4 losses. Not to mention the Steelers still have to play a tough Ravens team. With all those tough games one of those can easily fall back into the pack and make the 6th playoff spot an interesting one down the stretch.

There is too many big games left for you to call it. a team at 5-3 or 4-4 has a legit shot. Not to mention Baltimore is in Atlanta this Thursday. Also Indy has to play in NE. Baltimore also still has to play New Orleans.

There are lost of big games left. Way to early to tell and we saw what happened in Cleveland this week-end. to the Pats.

I should have clarified that I didn't mean those teams will make the playoffs for sure, but they are all looking good at this point of the season IMO.

I don't see much of a chance of any wild card team coming out of the AFC West or South so far into the season. I think the wildcard spots will come from the AFC East and AFC North.

[Sylvanfan]

One of Tennessee or Indy will likely put up a good enough record that they'll be in contention for a wild card spot till the final week of the season. If I had to pick today I would agree that Pittsburgh/Baltimore, and NewEngland/New York look like they're playoff bound.

But things can change. Especially this season.

[transplant99]

Yes, you are a Favre apologist. You have a bigger crush on the guy than John Madden.

No I really am not. You can keep repeating it all you like, but it doesnt change anything.

When you see Brett Favre in a purple uniform, you are mistaking him for the Brett Favre of old.

Again, No i am not. The Brett favre of old was a much better player than he is now. What I am saying is that he is 10 times the QB even now, than tavaris jackson ever will be. No more and no less.

But we also may not have lost the 2-3 games that Brett Favre lost for this team.

Yes, he lost them for the team. While you blame the receivers, the running backs, the offensive line, etc. (aka ANYONE BUT FAVRE), I will put it on Favre. And I'm not alone within the Viking fan faithful.

I never ever blame one single player for wins or losses...ever. Because its pretty rare when that even occurs. I understand you do, so in that vein, would you then say that Favre singlehandidly won the game last Sunday? Or is he solely responsible for results only when its a loss?

You told me to stand up, and I stood up. I'm not going to change my tune because he had one good game. Even if he goes undefeated for the rest of the season, I will stand by what I said.

Which would explicity illustrate your blind hatred of the guy and proves beyond any doubt there is no way you are looking at this any way but emotionally. I am not doing that. As an avowed Viking hater I have no doubt who gives them a better chance to win each and every week, and it sure as hell is not Tavaris Jackson.

Jackson may give this team a better chance to win, especially if Favre plays like a rookie. Like he had in almost every game prior to this one.

See? no analytical breakdown of anything here. I could understand if you said he was mostly responsible for one or two losses because of his INT's or whatever. But nope..its all his fault, only his fault and he is playing like a rookie.

Seriously?

But this is honestly the last time I'll discuss Favre with you because you are too much of a Favre fan boy to deal with any criticism of him. So continue to guzzle the Favre juice, just don't expect everyone else to share your sentiments on him

So weak, and not surprising.

And just in case you need to see it again. Jackson is not >>>>>> than Favre.

Well then, why would the lesser player give the Vikes a better chance to win??

It makes zero sense. I cant think of a single situation any football executive/coach would have any ability to see that as anything but false.

You keep harping on the fact that somehow if TJ was the QB, everything would be better because he would give the ball to Peterson. Just an FYI for you, AP is 7 yds away from leading the entire NFL in rushing and has the most carries RIGHT NOW. He is getting many a chance and it seems doing well when it happens.

So now it comes down to the passing game as a difference maker...so who is better at that? Favre or Jackson. Simple question with an enormously easy answer. No question BF has thrown far to many INT's this year. Most of which were directly his fault. He has to better, as do a lot of his teammates. Doesnt mean he is to solely blame for evey single thing that has gone wrong though, and its naive to believe that.

[Sylvanfan]

So have the Browns found their new Bernie Kosar? Colt McCoy is 2-1 in his first three starts, and had to do so against 3 Superbowl winning QB's in Roethlisberger, Brees, and Brady. Cleveland actually played pretty well in most of their early games, but key turnovers by Delhomme and Wallace ended up costing them the games. McCoy has been mistake free the past couple games and the Browns haven't just won, but won by pretty good margins against the Saints and Pats who are considered two of the top teams in the league.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

So continue to guzzle the Favre juice,

I fail to see how someone's sexual orientation has anything to do with NFL football?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

So have the Browns found their new Bernie Kosar? Colt McCoy is 2-1 in his first three starts, and had to do so against 3 Superbowl winning QB's in Roethlisberger, Brees, and Brady. Cleveland actually played pretty well in most of their early games, but key turnovers by Delhomme and Wallace ended up costing them the games. McCoy has been mistake free the past couple games and the Browns haven't just won, but won by pretty good margins against the Saints and Pats who are considered two of the top teams in the league.

I haven't seen the last two games, but I think the Browns won by being physical and running the ball. I'm not sure Colt is passing very much.

Mangini has probably saved his job.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by troutman

I haven't seen the last two games, but I think the Browns won by being physical and running the ball. I'm not sure Colt is passing very much.

Mangini has probably saved his job.

The Browns actually have a pretty good defence, they play well on special teams and they can run the ball with a pretty good line. If their QB can just make a few plays but not hurt them they'll win a few games.

Back when they had Kosar and Schottenheimer coaching them thats pretty much what they did, and eventually Kosar made a few plays. I'm sure Browns fans wouldn't mind having a few of those seasons again, even if they have to put up with a new John Elway kicking them in the junk in that championship game.