What to do with Huberdeau?

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Who called it a great success?

I don't think anyone is happy with his performance. He's an offense first player who has put up a bagel for an entire month. That's awful.

But certainly you can also see where he's creating and there's just no finish.

Bingo's stats on the gap between expected and actual goals with him on the ice is telling.

No one is happy. But that doesn't mean that we can't look deeper at what's happening.

Again has anyone called it a great success? If not - then why color the argument that wya.

Because, if you invent an argument that isn't happening it is very easy to win the argument. Very shrewd.

[FlamesAddiction]

Huberdeau is in pace for 35 points this season, which would be $300k per point.

Here is what other regular forwards would make based on that pay scale and based on points projection over a full season.

Kadri = $17.5 million
Coleman = $16.8 million
Zary = $16.8 million
Lindholm - $16.2 million
Shanagovich = $15.6 million
Mangiapane = $12.3 million
Backlund = $12 million
Ruzicka = $7.5 million
Pospisil = $7.5 million
Greer = $7.2 million
Dube = $5.1 million

Then consider that Huberdeau's trajectory has been down for the whole month of December. He is on pace for 35 points, but will be lucky to hit 25 at this rate.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Huberdeau is in pace for 35 points this season, which would be $300k per point.

Here is what other regular forwards would make based on that pay scale and based on points projection over a full season.

Kadri = $17.5 million
Coleman = $16.8 million
Zary = $16.8 million
Lindholm - $16.2 million
Shanagovich = $15.6 million
Mangiapane = $12.3 million
Backlund = $12 million
Ruzicka = $7.5 million
Pospisil = $7.5 million
Greer = $7.2 million
Dube = $5.1 million

Then consider that Huberdeau's trajectory has been down for the whole month of December. He is on pace for 35 points, but will be lucky to hit 25 at this rate.

I'm not sure what the point is of posts like these. Were people unaware of Huberdeau's salary or his production?

[thefoss1957]

I am hearing very quiet rumors of bringing in Huberdeau to be a line mate for Bedard, by some Chicago talking heads. I am not sure if this is just speculation or if there are more concrete sources. There are some useful players that, I am sure, that the 'Hawks will be shopping, towards the deadline. But, if Calgary is looking to just dump salary, I would not be surprised by a move like this.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm not sure what the point is of posts like these. Were people unaware of Huberdeau's salary or his production?

I find it interesting to put more perspective into just how ridiculously bad and inefficient his salary and production are. If you don't, that's fine.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Huberdeau is in pace for 35 points this season, which would be $300k per point.

Here is what other regular forwards would make based on that pay scale and based on points projection over a full season.

Kadri = $17.5 million
Coleman = $16.8 million
Zary = $16.8 million
Lindholm - $16.2 million
Shanagovich = $15.6 million
Mangiapane = $12.3 million
Backlund = $12 million
Ruzicka = $7.5 million
Pospisil = $7.5 million
Greer = $7.2 million
Dube = $5.1 million

Then consider that Huberdeau's trajectory has been down for the whole month of December. He is on pace for 35 points, but will be lucky to hit 25 at this rate.

So by that logic

Kucherov $40.8 million

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

I am hearing very quiet rumors of bringing in Huberdeau to be a line mate for Bedard, by some Chicago talking heads. I am not sure if this is just speculation or if there are more concrete sources. There are some useful players that, I am sure, that the 'Hawks will be shopping, towards the deadline. But, if Calgary is looking to just dump salary, I would not be surprised by a move like this.

Seth Jones for Huberdeau?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Seth Jones for Huberdeau?

I’d make that trade any day.

[thefoss1957]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Seth Jones for Huberdeau?

Do you really want that contract? Lately, Dickenson's stock has been going up.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Huberdeau is in pace for 35 points this season, which would be $300k per point.

Here is what other regular forwards would make based on that pay scale and based on points projection over a full season.

Kadri = $17.5 million
Coleman = $16.8 million
Zary = $16.8 million
Lindholm - $16.2 million
Shanagovich = $15.6 million
Mangiapane = $12.3 million
Backlund = $12 million
Ruzicka = $7.5 million
Pospisil = $7.5 million
Greer = $7.2 million
Dube = $5.1 million

Then consider that Huberdeau's trajectory has been down for the whole month of December. He is on pace for 35 points, but will be lucky to hit 25 at this rate.

So they should get rid of everyone and field a team of Dubes?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

Do you really want that contract? Lately, Dickenson's stock has been going up.

To get rid of Huberdeau you’re going to have to take a similar contract back or eat salary. I’d prefer to not eat salary and I think Jones would add more value as a D man than Huberdeau would as a winger.

Then you could dump Tanev and Hanifin and still have a top 3 set of D.

If you could dump Markstrom to a contender you’d have quite a bit of cap space to work with in the offseason to try and pay for scoring. The flames are going to have to pay for scoring in my mind. They don’t have anyone in the organization that fits that bill outside of Coronato and maybe Sharangovich.

So

Out:
Huberdeau
Hanifin
Tanev
Markstrom

In:
Jones
Scoring winger
Resign Lindholm
Draft picks
Cap space

Anyway. I like the idea. Doubt Chicago wants him.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

I am hearing very quiet rumors of bringing in Huberdeau to be a line mate for Bedard, by some Chicago talking heads. I am not sure if this is just speculation or if there are more concrete sources. There are some useful players that, I am sure, that the 'Hawks will be shopping, towards the deadline. But, if Calgary is looking to just dump salary, I would not be surprised by a move like this.

Imagine getting a "get out of jail" card for Huberdeau at this point?

Seems way to good to be true

[dissentowner]

I would do it but we would end up losing that deal when Jones still sucks and Huberdeau is putting up a ppg in Chicago.

[Ped]

Dickenson's stockis going up because the Hawks are a terrible team so he's getting premier ice-time he wouldn't get anywhere else. Teams should be leery of giving up too much for him. Jamie Baker syndrome.

[dino7c]

Yeah I would fully expect Huberdeau to light it up...it's irrelevant though because it's not gonna happen here.

It won't be free though, there will be a cost

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There's some really bad contracts in the NBA.
Davis Bertans is making $17M per season and averaging <4 PPG.

That's just one example. The NBA has some TERRIBLE contracts.

Nothing comes close to the Huberdeau contract. For the most part, NBA contracts are limited in length to four years, maximum five in certain cases.

Bertans is a bad contract but even with his player option it expires after next year. And even at his inflated amount, he is about 15% of the cap which on a basketball team is not quite so punitive.

The NBA owners negotiated hard to reduce the maximum length of contracts.
And of course the NFL doesn't have as much guaranteed money.

It's always the term that gets teams in trouble in the NHL. And having cap tied up in players that can't contribute isn't exactly great for the players as a whole either. Ultimately just less money out there for the other guys.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would do it but we would end up losing that deal when Jones still sucks and Huberdeau is putting up a ppg in Chicago.

Not really.
If Huberdeau isn't going to be that here, who cares what he does with Bedard?
It would sting to see that for sure but you make a move if it makes the Flames situation better & just focus on the +/- of the deal from a Flames perspective.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Nothing comes close to the Huberdeau contract. For the most part, NBA contracts are limited in length to four years, maximum five in certain cases.

Bertans is a bad contract but even with his player option it expires after next year. And even at his inflated amount, he is about 15% of the cap which on a basketball team is not quite so punitive.

The NBA owners negotiated hard to reduce the maximum length of contracts.
And of course the NFL doesn't have as much guaranteed money.

It's always the term that gets teams in trouble in the NHL. And having cap tied up in players that can't contribute isn't exactly great for the players as a whole either. Ultimately just less money out there for the other guys.

That, and the NBA doesn't have NMC's coming out the wazoo.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Seth Jones for Huberdeau?

I doubt Jones would waive his NMC for any Canadian team

[Paulie Walnuts]

This thread gets dumber daily.

Now we putting everyone's salary based on his production?

Did we do that for Neal? Others who have had terrible seasons?