2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why does everyone assume if we have to trade Tkachuk we have to tear it down? Do you think we are getting nothing back for him? I could even argue if BT plays his cards right he can strengthen the team by addressing other areas of need in that deal. My point is if Tkachuk is traded we don't know if the return takes us toward retooling or it is a hockey deal that gives us assets to win now back.

I suspect if he's traded that it will be a retool trade that brings back something that will help win now.

But firstly, while we wait just the uncertainty makes the Flames a less desirable destination for any UFAs IMO

And secondly, if he is traded in that type of deal its not very likely the player returning will make the team look as appealing as a 40 goal 104 point Tkachuk and it will mean the Flames in one off season will have lost two thirds of arguably the best line in the NHL last season.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You would not get that return for one year of Matthew Tkachuk. He would have to sign an extension with the team for them to pay that and I get the feeling he would rather just play out his last year and choose where he plays.

No but it also isn't going to be as bad as the Phaneuf deal

[dino7c]

If Tkachuk went to the Sens or Blues he would likely sign the 8 year deal...assuming he doesn't here

Flames would be looking for sure bets...young players that are already in the league

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

How do you help someone with cap space when you don’t have any

It will cost them almost 20M/year, just to sign Tkachuk, Mangi and Kylington

people keep saying this but they obviously had a plan to clear 10.5M that they no longer have to

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Fox, 3rd round. Gaudreau, 4th round. Since when is that drafting high?

Not saying they drafted those specific players high. I’m saying they shouldn’t draft Americans high. It has to be a pain in the ass trying to plan around them. It seems like if they have any upside to becoming stars chances are they will leave. See what happens with Chucky though but it feels like it’s trending that way.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why does everyone assume if we have to trade Tkachuk we have to tear it down?

Because it would be the smart thing to do. We have nothing in the system to step and fill the gaps, so it makes sense to try and develop some critical mass in a draft band. Of course this is the Flames, and the management teams have never been overly bright when it came to this strategy - Treliving has been the best IMO - so it is more likely they will do the dumb things and continue to strive for 8th place and roll the dice.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Because it would be the smart thing to do. We have nothing in the system to step and fill the gaps, so it makes sense to try and develop some critical mass in a draft band. Of course this is the Flames, and the management teams have never been overly bright when it came to this strategy - Treliving has been the best IMO - so it is more likely they will do the dumb things and continue to strive for 8th place and roll the dice.

Yeah pretty much exactly this.

We had three 1st line quality players, one is already gone and we don’t have anyone in the system to fill those shoes. If we lose a 2nd, we effectively don’t have a first line anymore - that is not a team that can win anything.

You lose one of those players? Okay, it’s going to take some super human efforts from our depth to overcome that. Two? No shot. No team can overcome that.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Dougie Hamilton for Lindholm and Hanifin. Doesn't mean the trade will be bad lol

Making that trade is different when you have Gaudreau and Tkachuk under contract for several more years.

Trade Tkachuk, and who are you bringing back that will keep you relevant?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Making that trade is different when you have Gaudreau and Tkachuk under contract for several more years.

Trade Tkachuk, and who are you bringing back that will keep you relevant?

I don’t see any reason why the ask for Tkachuk wouldn’t be at minimum equivalent to offer sheet compensation. Which absolutely nobody wants to give up for players making that much. It’s too many firsts and unknowns to make sense. But you can package stuff instead.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Well it’s impossible to just magic a 115 point player out of thin air.



They have to completely re-evaluate their offensive strategy, and prepare as though they’re going to be a middle-10 scoring team instead of a top-10 one.



No reason they can’t be top-10 defensively, however, and you can do a lot with that.



They also need to do a bit of asset hoarding in the interim so they can make a proper push for a star via trade when one comes available.

If we believe Sutter and what he said all year long, it's that the Flames (with Johnny) never had enough horses to be a top 10 offensive team or perhaps put in a different way - to assume that their offensive talent will win games for them, so I think it's an exaggeration to say they need to completely re-evaluate their strategy.

I don't think for a second Sutter feels he needs to veer away from his mantra of aggressive checking to get the puck back and that being responsible defensively will create chances offensively.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Making that trade is different when you have Gaudreau and Tkachuk under contract for several more years.

Trade Tkachuk, and who are you bringing back that will keep you relevant?

What if he was traded to the Blues for Kyrou and Tarasenko?
Those two are going to be an upgrade over just Tkachuk. We know from what BT told Z that they have no intention on rebuilding right now so Tkachuk for strictly futures is not probably happening.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by BlindMilwaukee

I'm still of the belief you have to draft the best player available.



Look what Fox got us in that trade. Sure I'd prefer a Norris winner but Lindholm might have the best contract in the league.

Yeah I agree with you. Always draft the BPA, except I think the desirability of Calgary the city to Americans is a reality and the Flames will just need to be honest with their American prospects and move them out before they get a chance to leave for nothing in return. If that means you have to move out a top 10 American born player prematurely (after their first deal after their ELC), you do it because that's your situation.

[Ashasx]

The Flames can't be silly enough to pull a Phaneuf with Tkachuk.

Any team that wants him is going to want to win now. Don't make it difficult to try and make a hockey trade work. Those rarely work out well for the team giving up the best player.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What if he was traded to the Blues for Kyrou and Tarasenko?
Those two are going to be an upgrade over just Tkachuk. We know from what BT told Z that they have no intention on rebuilding right now so Tkachuk for strictly futures is not probably happening.

I suggested this trade with St Louis a few days ago.

Tarasenko
Barbashev
Zachary Bolduc - 2021 1st round pick, C, 99 points with Rimouski this year.
2nd - 2023

Tarasenko and Barbashev are to make the salaries work, and i think both can return a 1st+ at the deadline.

I don’t particularly want Kyrou and I don’t think St Louis wants to trade him - he’s too old.

We trade Tkachuk, we’re tearing it down to the studs.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

people keep saying this but they obviously had a plan to clear 10.5M that they no longer have to

I would cost them. Maybe heavily. Otherwise they would have done it already

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I would cost them. Maybe heavily. Otherwise they would have done it already

Why would they have done it already? They don't have to be cap-compliant till the opening day of the regular season. Waiting to see if Gaudreau would sign before making cap dumps was the only sensible thing to do.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah pretty much exactly this.

We had three 1st line quality players, one is already gone and we don’t have anyone in the system to fill those shoes. If we lose a 2nd, we effectively don’t have a first line anymore - that is not a team that can win anything.

You lose one of those players? Okay, it’s going to take some super human efforts from our depth to overcome that. Two? No shot. No team can overcome that.

It's why Treliving is probably working extremely hard trying to get Tkachuk to sign a contract. I suspect that's what's holding everything up right now in regards to extensions to other players and maybe UFA signings. I suspect after the Gaudreau thing that he would be allowed by Edwards to move Tkachuk if he isn't willing to extend with the team rather than have a repeat of the Gaudreau situation which would be a near certainty with Tkachuk. How long will Treliving take this one down to the wire?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

How long will Treliving take this one down to the wire?

The wire in this case is July 22, which, I believe, is the deadline for Tkachuk to accept his QO. If he doesn't take $9 million and a direct trip to free agency, that would indicate that he has at least some interest in re-signing.

Once that deadline passes, we'll know a bit more.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I suggested this trade with St Louis a few days ago.

Tarasenko
Barbashev
Zachary Bolduc - 2021 1st round pick, C, 99 points with Rimouski this year.
2nd - 2023

Tarasenko and Barbashev are to make the salaries work, and i think both can return a 1st+ at the deadline.

I don’t particularly want Kyrou and I don’t think St Louis wants to trade him - he’s too old.

We trade Tkachuk, we’re tearing it down to the studs.

Umm Kyrou is 24 and too old but you’ll take Tarasenko? Is that you Jay Feaster?

[Hackey]

Barbashev is older than Kyrou.