The Legend of Sam Bennett

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

"couple a bad penalties" cost them 2 games in a 6 game series...
He took 3 penalties in the series, not counting an offsetting roughing penalty, and Tampa scored on all 3 of them.

You shouldn't expect a team to score on 3 of 3 PP's. It should be worth about 0.6 of a goal. And everyone takes penalties.

Bennett has been a very good player for Florida.

Can he keep it up? That's the big question. I guess we'll see next year.

[cannon7]

Hornqvist had 12 PIMs to Bennett's 8. Hell, Lomberg had 30.

But if the Panthers aren't happy with a point-per-game player in the playoffs, they can always expose him in the expansion draft.

[DazzlinDino]

Happy for Bennett, he looks happy too! Great young kid, he deserves it! The better he does the grumpier some people are going to get!

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You shouldn't expect a team to score on 3 of 3 PP's. It should be worth about 0.6 of a goal. And everyone takes penalties.

Yeah, if a team is getting scored on more frequently when the same player is in the box, sort of implies that the person is a needed PKer as well. Or the team just hates him.

[FBI]

Final Bennett stat round up:

Regular season Florida Panthers:
10 GP: 6G, 9A = 15 pts, +12, avg TOI: 18:04

Playoff season:
5 GP: 1G, 4A = 5pts

Since leaving Calgary:
15 GP: 7G, 13A = 20 pts

Last 21 games played including with Calgary:
21 GP: 8G, 18A = 26 pts, +13

Last 3 playoffs:
20 GP: 7G, 11A = 18 pts

[DeluxeMoustache]

For as much as people like to harp on every little thing he does, his even +/- in the series seems to look a bit better than Barkov’s -8

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Hornqvist had 12 PIMs to Bennett's 8. Hell, Lomberg had 30.

But if the Panthers aren't happy with a point-per-game player in the playoffs, they can always expose him in the expansion draft.

Put his team down a man 3 times and got scored on 3 times and was suspended for a game...its certainly something he needs to work on.

Can't compare it to Lomberg getting 20 mins in a scrum when the game is already over

[monkeyman]

Bennett plays an aggressive style, it leads to more penalties, but it also adds to his value as a player. One of the biggest fails in my mind was watching coaches like Ward demote, bench and scratch Bennett for taking penalties that resulted from playing aggressive. You could tell it totally messed Bennett up making him tentative, less aggressive and less confident.
In contrast guys like Sutter and Quenneville kept putting him out there, even after he took a penalty. Look at what it's done to Bennett's play and his confidence. I think as he ages, he'll pick his spots better and take less penalties. But that comes from playing time, it comes from experience, it comes from confidence that you're not going to be punished if you make a mistake.
As good as Bennett has been since Sutter took over and he was traded, I think he still has a lot of room to grow. He's going to get even better and even more effective.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Bennett plays an aggressive style, it leads to more penalties, but it also adds to his value as a player. One of the biggest fails in my mind was watching coaches like Ward demote, bench and scratch Bennett for taking penalties that resulted from playing aggressive. You could tell it totally messed Bennett up making him tentative, less aggressive and less confident.
In contrast guys like Sutter and Quenneville kept putting him out there, even after he took a penalty. Look at what it's done to Bennett's play and his confidence. I think as he ages, he'll pick his spots better and take less penalties. But that comes from playing time, it comes from experience, it comes from confidence that you're not going to be punished if you make a mistake.
As good as Bennett has been since Sutter took over and he was traded, I think he still has a lot of room to grow. He's going to get even better and even more effective.

Takes a lot more muscles to frown than it does to smile! Hard not to smile about Sam Bennett.

He is being trusted and playing in all situations, he is only going to keep getting better. Florida got a lot more out of Sam in a short time than the Flames did over the long haul.

It has been fun watch him play for the Panthers. Hopefully the trade pays off for the Flames.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Bennett plays an aggressive style, it leads to more penalties, but it also adds to his value as a player. One of the biggest fails in my mind was watching coaches like Ward demote, bench and scratch Bennett for taking penalties that resulted from playing aggressive. You could tell it totally messed Bennett up making him tentative, less aggressive and less confident.
In contrast guys like Sutter and Quenneville kept putting him out there, even after he took a penalty. Look at what it's done to Bennett's play and his confidence. I think as he ages, he'll pick his spots better and take less penalties. But that comes from playing time, it comes from experience, it comes from confidence that you're not going to be punished if you make a mistake.
As good as Bennett has been since Sutter took over and he was traded, I think he still has a lot of room to grow. He's going to get even better and even more effective.

As he ages....

He's not a prospect, he's 24 years old.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

As he ages....

He's not a prospect, he's 24 years old.

And he played 11 minutes a game for those first years.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by memphusk

And he played 11 minutes a game for those first years.

Average Toi while in Calgary was over 14 mins. Never dropped below 12:30 in any season.

Next excuse...

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Average Toi while in Calgary was over 14 mins. Never dropped below 12:30 in any season.

Next excuse...

Lol. So he only had a 44% increase in ice time over that 12:30

What excuse are you looking for, being made by whom?


More time. Better linemates. Not only wasn’t he a liability, he excelled. The observations and recommendations by a lot of people here were validated, simply by a new organization using the player.

Super complicated, even the Wizard and his hand picked coaches couldn’t figure him out

The argument now is not whether Calgary got as much as possible out of the asset, it’s just their degree of failure.

Even if Bennett retired tomorrow, this stint with Florida makes Tre look like the loser

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

As he ages....

He's not a prospect, he's 24 years old.

And still 2 or 3 years away from his prime. I might agree with you if Bennett hadn't been so poorly handled here, but his development was clearly hindered by a series of poor choices by coaches and management.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Lol. So he only had a 44% increase in ice time over that 12:30

What excuse are you looking for, being made by whom?


More time. Better linemates. Not only wasn’t he a liability, he excelled. The observations and recommendations by a lot of people here were validated, simply by a new organization using the player.

Super complicated, even the Wizard and his hand picked coaches couldn’t figure him out

The argument now is not whether Calgary got as much as possible out of the asset, it’s just their degree of failure.

Even if Bennett retired tomorrow, this stint with Florida makes Tre look like the loser

Jury is still out on this one...James Neal was the NHL's leading goal scorer after 15 games and he is almost out of the league. I wouldn't take the victory lap just yet. Not to mention he scored one goal in the playoffs and cost his team multiple times.

I suspect he has a decent year next year in the 40-50 points range which is pretty solid.

Bennett was incredibly unlucky at times in Calgary but since the Flames game Vs. the Jets where he scored a terrible goal everything has bounced his way. Truth lies somewhere in the middle IMO.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ Yeah, truth lies in trust of the process. Lol

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ Yeah, truth lies in trust of the process. Lol

I think he is pretty fortunate to be PPG and I can't see it happening moving forward...a lot of off the ass and in or off the skate and to a guy wide open ect. I mentioned the goal against the Jets that was actually a dump in and Brossoit scored on himself.

I said 40-50 points...not like that's bad I'm just not full fanboy

How many points do you see Sam getting next season?

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Lol. So he only had a 44% increase in ice time over that 12:30

What excuse are you looking for, being made by whom?


More time. Better linemates. Not only wasn’t he a liability, he excelled. The observations and recommendations by a lot of people here were validated, simply by a new organization using the player.

Super complicated, even the Wizard and his hand picked coaches couldn’t figure him out

The argument now is not whether Calgary got as much as possible out of the asset, it’s just their degree of failure.

Even if Bennett retired tomorrow, this stint with Florida makes Tre look like the loser

If he retired tomorrow the pick and prospect we got back would make us a loser? If he retired tomorrow....

He played well when inserted into a lineup that was already doing very well and playing with linemates that were going great before he got there. His shooting percentage more than doubled in Florida to a completely unsustainable 15.4%.

And he still managed to finish this year with a reputation of being an undisciplined liability that cost his team games.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Haha, if taking it too literally is where you need to hang your hat

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Haha, if taking it too literally is where you need to hang your hat

So we shouldn't take your lengthy and specifically argumentative post as literal? Or any of the points that you tried to make? Ok. Good joke.