Brad Treliving needs to go

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The Lucic for Neal trade that included salary and a third-round pick was also not a great move.

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Yes. I would say Treliving has had the clear upper hand on that one so far.

EDIT: there I’ve teed it up for someone to come along now and say ‘Well, Treliving is an idiot for signing Neal in the first place’. Two posts later we will read that Treliving is incompetent for not having added any RW depth to the lineup

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Yes. I would say Treliving has had the clear upper hand on that one so far.

Lucic would actually help them out a lot right now.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Lucic would actually help them out a lot right now.

All due respect to Looch, because he has come in and done his job, and then some in my mind. But when Milan Lucic is, arguably, one of your best players in terms of showing up on a nightly basis, that’s an indictment on the players who should be leading this team.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Yes, Edmonton has their HHOF GM, but he’s made the exact same mistakes Treliving has and is getting ripped for here. Holland left Detroit a mess. Stephe Weiss was signed to a $24.5 over 5 year deal. He played 78 games over two seasons (3 in Grand Rapids, so there’s that). What did Frans Neilsen get, who’s still there. How about Mike Green?

Moving on to Edmonton, he sure ran a muck of it at last years TDL. Two seconds (TWO!!) and Sam Gagner for AA and a plug. Yikes. A 4th for Mike Green.....

I would say Treliving’s TDL day last year beat the HHOF GM up North.

I suspect Tyson Barrie and Mike Smith by the end of this season will more than make up for his trade deadline last year. Even Kahun is better than any forward we picked up in the offseason. But yes, Brad had a great TDL compared to Hollans and another brutal offseason, particularly vis-a-vis Holland.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I suspect Tyson Barrie and Mike Smith by the end of this season will more than make up for his trade deadline last year. Even Kahun is better than any forward we picked up in the offseason. But yes, Brad had a great TDL compared to Hollans and another brutal offseason, particularly vis-a-vis Holland.

Point being; they all make mistakes. None of these guys batts 1.00. Stay tuned....

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I suspect Tyson Barrie and Mike Smith by the end of this season will more than make up for his trade deadline last year. Even Kahun is better than any forward we picked up in the offseason. But yes, Brad had a great TDL compared to Hollans and another brutal offseason, particularly vis-a-vis Holland.

How hilarious will it be if after a good season Mike frikkin' Smith prices himself out of Edmonton?

I will laugh heartily.

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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Point being; they all make mistakes. None of these guys batts 1.00. Stay tuned....

And they are two teams at very different stages of the rebuild cycle. I suspect Holland buys out Neal this offseason because he wants the extra 4 million or so over the next two seasons to make a Cup push, whereas the Flames should be fine with two more seasons with Lucic and maybe even some other bad contracts if it means that you get some prospects and are ready to push in a couple years.

[Flamesfan05]

If Lucic doesn’t waive his NMC for the expansion draft then Treliving got another bad deal


Yeah you can argue the Flames have nobody worth protecting but that’s another story

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

And they are two teams at very different stages of the rebuild cycle. I suspect Holland buys out Neal this offseason because he wants the extra 4 million or so over the next two seasons to make a Cup push, whereas the Flames should be fine with two more seasons with Lucic and maybe even some other bad contracts if it means that you get some prospects and are ready to push in a couple years.

Yeah, maybe. Time will tell. They do have 2 of the best, what, 5 players in the world. They should be all in and if they don’t win a cup in this window they are in, then that would be a massive failure.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

If Lucic doesn’t waive his NMC for the expansion draft then Treliving got another bad deal


Yeah you can argue the Flames have nobody worth protecting but that’s another story

I’d rather overpay Lucic to skate around and hit people for the whole contract than to buy out Neal and pay him even one cent for as long as that takes.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don’t think Lindholm was acquired to be a centre. He didn’t skated as a RW right from the start of camp when we acquired him.

I think moving Lindholm to centre this season also had to do with the fact that the Flames were trying to move Monahan for Anderson.

Lindholm
Backlund
Bennett
Ryan

Is what I believe the centre depth would have been had Treliving been able to acquire Anderson.

Which is also something to keep in mind on any returns for Monahan. Columbus chose Max Domi over Monahan in a return for Anderson.

Was it ever reported what the Flames offer was, or the deal for that matter? I recall there being discussion that the move would have also included a G and Friedman speculated the Flames also had interest in Gavrikov. This was prior to the UFA market being open.

We can speculate Monahan was part of the package, but I don’t think that has been confirmed.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Was it ever reported what the Flames offer was, or the deal for that matter? I recall there being discussion that the move would have also included a G and Friedman speculated the Flames also had interest in Gavrikov. This was prior to the UFA market being open.

We can speculate Monahan was part of the package, but I don’t think that has been confirmed.

Steinberg said he knows Monahan was offered in a deal for Anderson. He believes a goalie was also involved.

[GioforPM]

If Columbus chose Domi over Monahan it was purely because they are cheap. Domi has managed 14 points in 40 games.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

How does the AHL fix his hockey IQ though? How does the AHL fix his hands or improve his first step? How does the AHL fix his meager size for the center position?

It’s not like Sam Bennett hasn’t figured it out in the NHL before. Last August was the best hockey I’ve ever seen him play. So he’s done it at this level against higher competition.

He just can’t translate it to the regular season and I’m not sure he can with the 82 game schedule and way the game is called.

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You can work on just about all of those things in the AHL. Have you ever played sports at a higher level than you're used to? It feels like someone is holding down the fast-forward button. You might have the skills to generally keep up and hold your own, but you can't do a lot of the things you're used to, and you probably make a bunch of new mistakes.

When you go back to a lower level, you notice things in the game you never noticed before. You try some of things you saw work in the higher level. You find a way to replace the things you used to do that clearly won't work anymore.

Most of all, you have an extra half-second for nearly everything. Instead of being a quarter second behind the play, you find the flow again.

Reps. Time. Freedom to make some mistakes that aren't in front of 19k people and cost 2 pts in the important standings.

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

And they are two teams at very different stages of the rebuild cycle. I suspect Holland buys out Neal this offseason because he wants the extra 4 million or so over the next two seasons to make a Cup push, whereas the Flames should be fine with two more seasons with Lucic and maybe even some other bad contracts if it means that you get some prospects and are ready to push in a couple years.

They weren't in different stages until about a month ago...

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

My hypothesis is that they put a timeline on the rebuild that incentivized the management to try and kick open the contention window early
Which is the biggest mistake made

If we indulge this line of thinking, you think the current GM has done a good job of meeting these expectations?

I don’t see the evidence of ownership doing this that you do. I’d argue the biggest failing of ownership is being unable to find the right COO for the hockey ops group. In this case they put their faith in Brian Burke to find that person. He’s forgotten more about pro hockey than I will ever know, but i’m not convinced he’s a great evaluator of management talent.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

If Lucic doesn’t waive his NMC for the expansion draft then Treliving got another bad deal


Yeah you can argue the Flames have nobody worth protecting but that’s another story

It's wildly believed that there is a basic understanding that he will waive.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If we indulge this line of thinking, you think the current GM has done a good job of meeting these expectations?

I don’t see the evidence of ownership doing this that you do. I’d argue the biggest failing of ownership is being unable to find the right COO for the hockey ops group. In this case they put their faith in Brian Burke to find that person. He’s forgotten more about pro hockey than I will ever know, but i’m not convinced he’s a great evaluator of management talent.

I think the success of meeting a short-term objective hinged on
- The top players on the club taking another step. Instead they regressed. Though even if they had maintained their peak level this would be a pretty good team.
- Sam Bennett being more than he is.

I think he assembled a team that had a chance of being a contender if the above happened, and now that it hasn't - they are back a few steps.

[troutman]

Hit the road Jack.

[Reign of Fire]

Treliving's seat should be so hot that his ass is on fire.

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[keenan87]

I have a feeling we will see Treliving gone in the next few days. Interim GM (Maloney) to make a few deadline deals to sell with a new GM in the off-season (Lombardi) to break up this core.