American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Can't the House just set one up instead? There has to be another way around this.

Democrats are terrified of taking unilateral action. It’s one of their fatal flaws with governing. Not that it matters much, Republicans will retake the senate and house in 22 and effectively end the Biden administration after two years. But hey we got that $1600 cheque so it’s all good.

[TorqueDog]

Reaching across the aisle isn't an effective governing strategy when on the other side of that aisle there's a lion trying to bite your arm off. The Democrats would be wise to play a little hardball and assert themselves.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Bundle the Jan 6 inquiry with a Hunter Biden inquiry, a Fauci inquiry, and a Benghazi Super Commission, and that could get it done.

[photon]

They can, it'll just be seen as partisan by those who wouldn't accept the findings of one anyway.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1398319930119012353

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Democrats are terrified of taking unilateral action. It’s one of their fatal flaws with governing. Not that it matters much, Republicans will retake the senate and house in 22 and effectively end the Biden administration after two years. But hey we got that $1600 cheque so it’s all good.

Excited to see what the spin is in 22 for all the people who get defensive when we talk about undelivered promises and say "well if it doesn't happen in 4 years maybe you've got something to complain about!"

"Reach across the aisle!"
"Be patient!"
"This is all they could do!"

And other fun loser talk that's going to walk Republicans right back into power. Yay.

[timun]

The Democrats are fools for trying to "reach across the aisle": they should ram-rod as much of their pet projects through as soon as possible. The Republicans don't care about reaching reasonable compromise or crafting the best possible legislation: they're just obstructionist twats whose basic human decency and very sanity is questionable at this point. There's no point trying to work with them.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Excited to see what the spin is in 22 for all the people who get defensive when we talk about undelivered promises and say "well if it doesn't happen in 4 years maybe you've got something to complain about!"

"Reach across the aisle!"
"Be patient!"
"This is all they could do!"

And other fun loser talk that's going to walk Republicans right back into power. Yay.

The fact that much of the talk among the MSNBC crowd is still GOP shenanigans, such as MTG (who is largely inconsequential), rather than Biden's policies is telling.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by timun

The Democrats are fools for trying to "reach across the aisle": they should ram-rod as much of their pet projects through as soon as possible. The Republicans don't care about reaching reasonable compromise or crafting the best possible legislation: they're just obstructionist twats whose basic human decency and very sanity is questionable at this point. There's no point trying to work with them.

Do Democrats really know what their pet projects are? Unless one of them is to again impeach Trump.

Originally Posted by rubecube

The fact that much of the talk among the MSNBC crowd is still GOP shenanigans, such as MTG (who is largely inconsequential), rather than Biden's policies is telling.

Watching GOP shenanigans is the one thing Democrats agree on.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Democrats are terrified of taking unilateral action. It’s one of their fatal flaws with governing. Not that it matters much, Republicans will retake the senate and house in 22 and effectively end the Biden administration after two years. But hey we got that $1600 cheque so it’s all good.

Not all of us did.

[timun]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Do Democrats really know what their pet projects are?

The particulars aren't important. Party unity is irrelevant to my overarching point: Democrats shouldn't bother making any overtures to "bipartisanship". Republican feedback and input is absolutely irrelevant. They waste too much of their time trying to be conciliatory, in the mistaken belief that if they can get some buy-in from the other side of the aisle then it's for the betterment of their chances at "mending fences" with Republican lawmakers and voters. That thinking is hopelessly naïve.


The truth is that most Republican voters will never vote for the Democrats anyway, no matter what, so there's absolutely no point whatsoever trying to woo them. Republicans pass whatever stupid crap they want when they're in power, and work their hardest to be as obstructive as possible when they're not in power: the Democrats should do the same. They shouldn't make any compromises anymore. Republicans will continue to bend the shaky foundations of the US political system to lie, cheat and steal their way into power anyway: better for the Democrats if they pass as much legislation as possible as quickly as possible.

[GirlySports]

Republican politicians yes, republican voters not so much. Most American are centrists. There are Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden voters out there. People vote Republican for a variety of reasons, not to "own the libs". We hear and see the extremes in the media but most Americans don't buy into that. They just want a job, buy a house and raise their kids.

For example, you'd think the vaccine would be an issue. Sure, closing and opening at what rates has been a debate and how much money to give out and to who has been a debate, but everyone except the crazies have gotten the vaccine. There is no debate there.

So the Democrats do need to identify their pet projects and that might pull Republican voters over. The Democrats are and will flip states blue. And failing that, forget the politicians, voters can vote on propositions, like a $15 minimum wage in Florida. Democrats need to get into the weeds. There are so many solvable issues. But instead, people are moving out of blue states.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

For example, you'd think the vaccine would be an issue. Sure, closing and opening at what rates has been a debate and how much money to give out and to who has been a debate, but everyone except the crazies have gotten the vaccine. There is no debate there.

If what you say is true, then as of the time of posting, ~50% of the country is crazy, which says to me that everything else in your post about things not being as bad as we hear or think is probably misguided.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

If what you say is true, then as of the time of posting, ~50% of the country is crazy, which says to me that everything else in your post about things not being as bad as we hear or think is probably misguided.

Looks like they are counting everyone, even kids. That's a bit unfair. And people, especially poorer communities still need to get the first dose. Let's see what the final numbers are. I think this is more of an access issue than political issues. You can see Blacks and Latinos are very low. I don't think the number of outright crazy anti vaxxers is high.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I think this is more of an access issue than political issues. You can see Blacks and Latinos are very low.

When talking about the US and race, isn’t the lack of access for Blacks and Latinos a political issue?

[GirlySports]

That's a really good question. Perhaps lack of access was the wrong term to use. I don't believe that Blacks and Latinos have less access to vaccines, like for example, it's harder for them to vote as states like Georgia keeping making insane voting laws, I don't think this is the case with vaccines unless there are less vaccines available in minority neighborhoods then that's a real problem. I mean for example, do white neighborhoods have more vaccine centers than black neighborhoods? If so, there there obstacles to opening more vaccines centers? An American would have to answer this.


But say that all vaccines are distributed equal, then Blacks are Latinos aren't getting the vaccine because of two main reasons that I see. One is they don't trust the government, due to historical prejudice. And two, they're working so much trying to survive they can't afford to take a day off to get a vaccine and then the possible side effects of the vaccine costing them more days. They would rather chance getting covid then losing pay. Are these political issues? I don't know. It's been going on forever.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

That's a really good question. Perhaps lack of access was the wrong term to use. I don't believe that Blacks and Latinos have less access to vaccines, like for example, it's harder for them to vote as states like Georgia keeping making insane voting laws, I don't think this is the case with vaccines unless there are less vaccines available in minority neighborhoods then that's a real problem. I mean for example, do white neighborhoods have more vaccine centers than black neighborhoods? If so, there there obstacles to opening more vaccines centers? An American would have to answer this.

Not hard to find an answer…


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...not-hesitancy/

“In fact, a recent NPR analysis found that vaccine hubs, particularly ones in Louisiana, Texas and Alabama, were largely missing from predominantly Black and Hispanic communities, while few whiter neighborhoods were without one. And in a national study conducted in conjunction with the University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy, Dickson found that Black Americans in nearly two dozen urban counties in and around Atlanta, New Orleans and Dallas, among a host of other cities, faced longer driving distances to vaccine centers than white Americans.”

[CliffFletcher]

Intent to get the vaccine varies by race, as well as education level, age, and political affiliation.

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/...ccines_00-019/

That data is a couple months old, but the differences in demographics have persisted.

[TorqueDog]

I remember while Blue and Purple states were still filling up most of their vaccination capacity, I was seeing huge availability for 16+ appointments in Red states like Mississippi. I was pretty tempted to go get one until I realized that no one flies there direct and also Mississippi.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Speaking of the vaccine, I got my second shot on Thursday.

Have been sick since Thursday night, with chills, aches, and a headache that is possibly the worst one I’ve had in years.

Can’t honestly say that I’d recommend this to anyone.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

Speaking of the vaccine, I got my second shot on Thursday.

Have been sick since Thursday night, with chills, aches, and a headache that is possibly the worst one I’ve had in years.

Can’t honestly say that I’d recommend this to anyone.

The alternative is far worse. Judging by your symptoms, you would likely have had a tough time if you acquired COVID by natural means. Be thankful that this is the worst thing you will experience with this disease.