WQF (3) Vancouver Canucks vs (6) San Jose Sharks (Sharks win 4-0!!!!).

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Yea but that contract "sucks".

It sucks like Wade Redden's old deal.

But really. Luongo was much, much better than Schneider in this series. I mean I will question Lu for being clutch, but both game 3 and 4 Schneider gave them the winners (with insurance in game 3). At least Fleury did it with enough games left to let the team put a solid goalie in to save things.

That move was GM playing coach role and at least here Feaster clearly lets the coach make coaching decisions.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Yea but that contract "sucks".

It sucks in the sense that it's a major stumbling block in a potential trade. It doesn't suck in the terms of how much money it puts in his pocket.

Stop hearing and reading what you want to fit your stance and read between the lines using some logic once in awhile.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

It sucks in the sense that it's a major stumbling block in a potential trade. It doesn't suck in the terms of how much money it puts in his pocket.

Poor Roberto



I hope Gillis can trade him, because he is a better goalie than Schneider.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by troutman

Poor Roberto
.

The guy just wants to play. He's not asking for anyone to feel sorry for him. He was asked about why he thought a trade wasn't done and he gave an honest answer. "My contract sucks."

The contract is the reason there hasn't been a trade yet.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

The guy just wants to play. He's not asking for anyone to feel sorry for him. He was asked about why he thought a trade wasn't done and he gave an honest answer. "My contract sucks."

The contract is the reason there hasn't been a trade yet.

No doubt that the contract is the reason there hasn't been a trade, but the "contract sucks" talk is disengenous. He is being paid a boatload of money in a format that was in contravention of the spirit of salary cap, if not the letter. Luongo, his agent and the GM are the authors of their own situation. I don't hate Luongo, but given the NTC, the salary, term and cap issues, it really isn't difficult to understand why he may be "stuck" on the Canucks. Boo-hoo.

[old-fart]

Are the Nucks and their fans still whining about the reffing? I see that there was a 7 minute video or something dedicated to whining about it but I notice that in that video by some miracle the Bieksa pitchfork to the groin of Havlat that knocked him out for the series... that could easily have been a 5 minute major and wasn't even called seems to have been missed. yes, biased reffing indeed. I'm pretty sure there was another pitchfork by Burrows to another Shark that amazingly also went undetected and also failed to make the final cut for that video - yet the refs are out to get the Nucks and 'steal' the series away from them. And let's not forget Kesler's blatant dive that did result in a PP - oh but they never dive anymore, we promise.

Joke of an organization that has earned their reputation for being punks and pukes. Call on Bieksa to tie the game was legit. Call on Sedin was borderline, but still a penalty and considering they had already let 2 or 3 blatant trips/hooks go on the Nucks in OT, it is not surprising that they had just had enough.

Nucks just can't see to admit that the reason they got more penalties in the series, was because they deserved more penalties in the series. Even their media is buying into the "poor us the refs are big meanies" narrative.

Next year the Nucks will struggle to make the playoffs.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by old-fart

Are the Nucks and their fans still whining about the reffing? I see that there was a 7 minute video or something dedicated to whining about it but I notice that in that video by some miracle the Bieksa pitchfork to the groin of Havlat that knocked him out for the series... that could easily have been a 5 minute major and wasn't even called. yes, biased reffing indeed. I'm pretty sure there was another pitchfork by Burrows to another Shark that amazingly also went undetected - yet the refs are out to get the Nucks and 'steal' the series away from them. And let's not forget Kesler's blatant dive that did result in a PP - oh but they never dive anymore, we promise.

Joke of an organization that has earned their reputation for being punks and pukes. Call on Bieksa to tie the game was legit. Call on Sedin was borderline, but still a penalty and considering they had already let 2 or 3 blatant trips/hooks go on the Nucks in OT, it is not surprising that they had just had enough.

Nucks just can't see to admit that the reason they got more penalties in the series, was because they deserved more penalties in the series. Even their media is buying into the "poor us the refs are big meanies" narrative.

Next year the Nucks will struggle to make the playoffs.

They will not struggle to make the playoffs. I don't think they will win the division, but they will make the playoffs and get booted in the first round again.

I live in Victoria and most nuck fans are not whining about the call anymore. The nuck fans that i talked to did not like the call, but admitted that there was no way they were going to win that series. They are all calling for Gillis and AV's head.

Also i don't think any Calgary flames fans should be calling other organizations " a joke". We are near the top of that list.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

No doubt that the contract is the reason there hasn't been a trade, but the "contract sucks" talk is disengenous. He is being paid a boatload of money in a format that was in contravention of the spirit of salary cap, if not the letter. Luongo, his agent and the GM are the authors of their own situation. I don't hate Luongo, but given the NTC, the salary, term and cap issues, it really isn't difficult to understand why he may be "stuck" on the Canucks. Boo-hoo.

I think the real reason why he is stuck though is that the Canucks are trying to land a big reward in trading him away and there are too many constraints on the situation to let Gillis be so greedy.

1) Gillis gave Luongo a monster contract, eliminating a lot of teams that cannot afford that contract
2) Gillis gave Luongo a NTC, allowing the player to restrict the teams that can even be negotiated with
3) Gillis gave Schneider starting goalie $$ too and put his team in Cap Hell and forcing the need for this trade to happen

Once Gillis realizes the reality of his situation, I think he will be trying to send Luongo to Florida for nothing. If Florida is smart they will put him over a barrel and make him pay for his mistakes because otherwise they probably do not want to commit to Luongo with Markstrom coming up.

[old-fart]

The Flames are a poor team starting a rebuild, but are not a joke of an organization. If the Flames ever develop and institutionalize a culture of diving, hair pulling, biting and then crying to the refs, about the refs, about their travel schedule and about the league as a whole - so much so that a not insignificant portion of their fans and media seriously think there is a league wide conspiracy to keep them from ever winning a cup... we will also be a joke of an organization.

[Coach]

My opinion of Roberto has gotten higher and higher as this whole situation has gone on. He seems to be taking it rather well and with a dose of humour. Meanwhile Schnieder looks to be just as bad, if not worse, as a choke artist.

[Komskies]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

Bieksa no as a Flame? Cmon now. I hate the Canucks like anyone else but Bieksa is a great piece on defense.

[DuffMan]

I thought the timing of Luongo putting his place up for sale was a bit weird.

Can the Canucks do an amnesty buyout on him?

How many teams could afford to put him on the payroll. Wonder if Pitts could fit him in.

[SofaProfessor]

I've been saying since halfway through this season that the Canucks should be shopping both goalies and seeing where their best deal is. Let's be real, there is not a huge skill gap between Schneider and Luongo. This team is past their prime now. They're like the 07/08 Flames. They missed their chances to go all the way and now their core is "post apex." If Schneider is their best shot at getting some good young prospects then why not take it? Either that or give Luongo away for nothing because there is no market for him. But they have to do something.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I thought the timing of Luongo putting his place up for sale was a bit weird.

Can the Canucks do an amnesty buyout on him?

How many teams could afford to put him on the payroll. Wonder if Pitts could fit him in.

I doubt Gillis survives asking his owner for amnesty buyout on Loungo's contract.

[puckluck2]

Why would they buy him out when there has been interest in the trade market? You might not get a lot for him but there is no way he's bought out.

7th round pick > paying him for not playing on the team.

[dammage79]

Don't know why but I see Schneider as Cloutier v.2.0

[Locke]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I thought the timing of Luongo putting his place up for sale was a bit weird.

Can the Canucks do an amnesty buyout on him?

How many teams could afford to put him on the payroll. Wonder if Pitts could fit him in.

I think its become pretty obvious that Gillis is now dealing from a position of, if not weakness, desperation.

Luongo has sold his place and both he and Gillis have publically said its unlikely that he will return.

The 'if the return isnt good enough we can just keep him and have a 1 - 2 goaltender punch' card was played this year, and I think it backfired and it certainly cant be played again.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Don't know why but I see Schneider as Cloutier v.2.0

I don't, Schneider looks legit. He had two rough games coming off injury into a high pressure situation as a young guy. I'm totally willing to give him a pass this playoffs. But watching him closely this regular season and there's no denying he's a number one goalie right now. Excellent technique and will only improve as he gets more experience.

[Cheese]

Luongo to the Islanders...book it.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Don't know why but I see Schneider as Cloutier v.2.0

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Schneider has faced about 3000 shots in his regular season and playoff career which is a pretty healthy sample. In that span he's put up a combined .927 sv%. In Cloutier's first 3000 shots he put up an .894 sv%.

Schneider has also put up the highest aggregate sv% in the league in the last 3 seasons:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...er_by=save_pct

And finally, he also has the highest career sv% in the history of the NHL up to the age of 27. Obviously that's not era adjusted, but it's still indicative of just how good he's been.

Comparing Schneider to Cloutier makes about as much sense as comparing Rask to Byron Dafoe. Just an illogical comparison based on nothing but what team they play for with a dash of wishful thinking.