Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Carney is right leaning.

How so / in what ways do you think?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

How so / in what ways do you think?

He favours market driven solutions to allocate resources to solve problems rather than government funded corps to solve problems. He’s team Carbon tax over set pollution limits for example.

In terms of Communism vs Capitalism he is fairly capitalist.

[Mr.Coffee]

Has he been clear on that? I dunno if he has (market driven solutions). I mean maybe but when he leans into focusing on the economy can it just be auto inferred that means he believes in market driven forces etc.? Couldn’t it also mean he believes in government driven economic solutions and projects etc.?

I don’t follow this stuff as much as some of you guys.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

What was said?

They're going to spend their defense budget on line items that bring economic value to Canada. I.e job creation.

IIRC, the F-35 won because they upped their offer on what could beade in Canada and ties to the u.s were too strong to go anywhere else. But Saab had the best economic growth option with their build it all in Canada offer and offered open source rights to the Gripen-E. If Saab was U.S I'm pretty sure they'd have gone with them the first time.

[Bonded]

Carney is a Liberal in the mold of Chretien and Martin imo.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

So, right of the left, but not right enough to be stupid. One can dream.

I'm on board with the centrist position on immigration and military, given the current situation. We have a severe housing shortage, and our infrastructure is under strain. And 2% of GDP on defense is probably what we should be spending (maybe more when there's a fascist in the oval office with imperialist ambitions).

But I'm not on board with the centrist view on the environment/climate. The "our emissions don't matter" excuse is the same excuse used by every hummer driver and private jet flier. "My emissions don't make any difference cause I'm just one person". That kind of mindset is why we're in this mess to begin with, and why we can't seem to get out.

That said, pragmatism matters. We can walk and chew gum at the same time - export our resources, keep looking for ways to cut our emissions, and make big investments in green energy.

[ikaris]

Isn't Carney just announcing policies that the Conservatives have been advocating over the last decade of nonsense under the Liberals? How can anyone trust any Liberal politician when they suddenly change their positions to adapt to what the Conservatives have been successfully campaigning for years?

[Ped]

Originally Posted by ikaris

Isn't Carney just announcing policies that the Conservatives have been advocating over the last decade of nonsense under the Liberals? How can anyone trust any Liberal politician when they suddenly change their positions to adapt to what the Conservatives have been successfully campaigning for years?

How can anyone trust Conservative politicians willing to cozy up to a wannabe-dictator who's stated that he wants to take over our country?


Pretty easy choice, actually.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by ikaris

Isn't Carney just announcing policies that the Conservatives have been advocating over the last decade of nonsense under the Liberals? How can anyone trust any Liberal politician when they suddenly change their positions to adapt to what the Conservatives have been successfully campaigning for years?

Isn’t this exactly what the socially progressive fiscally conservative crowd wanted

How can anyone trust it? It’s a different guy running the place. It’s a globalist banker instead of a drama teacher. You are going to get different results.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ikaris

Isn't Carney just announcing policies that the Conservatives have been advocating over the last decade of nonsense under the Liberals? How can anyone trust any Liberal politician when they suddenly change their positions to adapt to what the Conservatives have been successfully campaigning for years?

If you like a policy why does it matter who came up with it? And being flexible enough to shift with contingency and popular opinion just seems like smart politics to me. I’m less inclined to support a party that’s inflexibly chained to dogma.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by ikaris

Isn't Carney just announcing policies that the Conservatives have been advocating over the last decade of nonsense under the Liberals? How can anyone trust any Liberal politician when they suddenly change their positions to adapt to what the Conservatives have been successfully campaigning for years?

Conservatives have been deeply unserious people for decades, not actually espousing anything resembling responsible policy. But the country was ready to swing back to a conservative government, so the centrist party went and nominated a conservative economist, who is now announcing conservative policies.

Does that help explain it?

Key differences
-Carneys cuts are measured and have responsible pay fors (not burn down the government pay fors),
-Carney is focused on building economic capacity innovating and investing in the economy (not attacking education institutions, and drawing back on investment that does not align with tradiation 20th century industries.)

This election kind of requires a decoder key:
Liberal = Conservative
Conservative = Libertarian
NDP = Liberal
Green = I don't actually know, have they become the pro-labour party?
sadly I'm not sure we have a strong pro environment / sustainability option

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by ikaris

Isn't Carney just announcing policies that the Conservatives have been advocating over the last decade of nonsense under the Liberals? How can anyone trust any Liberal politician when they suddenly change their positions to adapt to what the Conservatives have been successfully campaigning for years?

What successes?

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What successes?

Well one is that this guy will definitely be voting for them.

"Here's a typical conservative who trashes socialism complaining when he doesn't get enough of it."
@JamieScaddan
Here's a typical Canadian Conservative boomer that is living in his travel trailer because the CPP and OAS he receives after 55 years of working won't pay for his mortgage and all the taxes and utilities anymore.
All governments have plundered the social safety net that CPP was designed for but none so much as the liberals.
I'll be voting in an advance poll ASAP and it won't be for Marxist Carney Canada's WEF governor.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I consider myself a pragmatic progressive with leftist leanings (though I reject the extreme left, ie: the ones who refuse to vote for a centrist to keep the far right out of power).

Having said that, I'm open minded to sometimes accepting centrist positions on some issues, depending on the situation. So I reject your notion that only centrists are open-minded and flexible.

Can you point to specific situations where the right-wing position (rather than the left or center) was the correct one, pertaining to the 3 topics you listed?

So yeah, what about Brookfield dodging taxes and Carney leading the helm? Isn't that exactly what you've been saying is a major issue with the rich not paying their fair share?

In his time at Brookfield Asset Management, Liberal Leader Mark Carney personally co-chaired two investment funds dedicated to the transition to a net-zero carbon economy, worth a total of $25 billion.

Those funds were registered in Bermuda, among other locations, allowing investors to benefit from significant tax advantages, according to information obtained by Radio-Canada.

The legal structure of the Brookfield funds is complex and includes many jurisdictions. However, experts say their registration in Bermuda raises questions about Carney's approach to fiscal policy in Canada.

"All sorts of companies are doing this … but [Brookfield] are one of the biggest users of this kind of scheme," said Silas Xuereb, political analyst with the group Canadians for Fair Taxation.

He says he hopes the next federal government will impose new limits on the use of tax havens, in particular by ending bilateral agreements with countries like Bermuda and strengthening international treaties to curb tax evasion.

Xuereb said it may seem "ironic" that environmental funds were registered in a tax haven.

But he said Carney was understandably motivated by profit in the private sector, and hopes that the Liberal leader "will have very different goals now that he is in political power."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...vens-1.7493419

But its okay, cause he'll recuse himself from conflicts of interest. Which everyone should believe especially when all the Liberal clowns he's surrounding himself with never had the foul stench of corruption associated with their time in government.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What successes?

Oh you know; it's "Success" when measured in the sense that if you type a post on CalgaryPuck and then click the "Submit Reply" button and it appears in the thread... that is a successful post.

Also, JFC.

MathGod: *Asks a very direct question: Can you point to specific situations where the right-wing position (rather than the left or center) was the correct one, pertaining to the 3 topics you listed?*

Azure: "WhAt AbOuT CaRnEY aNd BroOkFieLd?!"

[Azure]

Originally Posted by surferguy

I can agree it’s unfortunate to mess it up.


That gaffe is right up there with:

Marlaina - hey US, don’t put tariffs on right now it’s helping the liberals, would you mind holding off for a bit?

PP - security clearance? If I get that they will discover which foreign nationals helped me win the leadership race!

Unrecoverable circumstances for the liberals.

Amazing how the Liberals and their apologists keep spinning this into something when its in fact nothing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1904667899203088424

[Azure]

Originally Posted by dammage79

They're going to spend their defense budget on line items that bring economic value to Canada. I.e job creation.

IIRC, the F-35 won because they upped their offer on what could beade in Canada and ties to the u.s were too strong to go anywhere else. But Saab had the best economic growth option with their build it all in Canada offer and offered open source rights to the Gripen-E. If Saab was U.S I'm pretty sure they'd have gone with them the first time.

Europe is going to spending a #### ton of money on military projects. Canada could benefit from that as we already have a decent defense production sector. I don't see the downside of working with them on it especially with the administration down south acting like a bunch of incompetent fools.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Amazing how the Liberals and their apologists keep spinning this into something when its in fact nothing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1904667899203088424

Failed political leader Thomas Mulcair has some advice for PP...Stunning stuff.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If you like a policy why does it matter who came up with it? And being flexible enough to shift with contingency and popular opinion just seems like smart politics to me. I’m less inclined to support a party that’s inflexibly chained to dogma.

Because while he's announcing the policies he's bringing back the 'stars' of the previous government who enacted the exact opposite policies.

Especially with housing and immigration.

So which is it going to be? Carney's way, or the clown show way? Maybe the clown show is Carney's way and he's completely full of #### with everything he's saying, hence the reason clowns like Sean Fraser are being recruited.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Failed political leader Thomas Mulcair has some advice for PP...Stunning stuff.

Typical dumb take.

He has experience in the role of 'opposition' as a member of government. Therefore he has more insight than you ever will. So makes more sense to consider what he has to say rather than your typical ignorant Liberal talking point dribble.