05-20-2015, 09:33 AM
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#2261
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by northcrunk
Don't the Oilers have pretty much 3.5 million they are going to have to add to their cap next season with McDavid alone?
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McDavid's contract total if ALL bonuses are obtained will be 3.775. The bonuses can be applied to the 2016/2017 cap though.
His base cap-hit will be 925K.
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05-20-2015, 09:34 AM
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#2262
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Yeah I'd say its a very popular opinion, which is probably the reason he probably wouldn't cost too much (vs other top 4 D) - factoring in acquisition cost, cap cost and term cost. Really depends how good or bad you see Chara I guess, I have no idea since I barely even saw him play last year. I was somewhat going by the name value, and figuring he probably didn't fall from top dog to No 6 D.
Ontop of that, while he has a big cap hit, the 2 years after he is being paid $5M and $4M, which might be advantageous for teams looking to just meet a cap floor but not wanting to spend too many dollars. Might be movable then, depending on how much he drops I guess.
By comparison, Cody Fransan (No 4-5 D) turned down a $13M ver 3 years deal, would Chara be worth $7M for at least next year plus the risk of the future 2 years? If Treliving is looking to add D (which I'm sure he is sniffing, but I'm not convinced he will strike).
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05-20-2015, 10:21 AM
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#2263
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Chara's fall from grace is predominantly injury related. His body just isn't holding up anymore. He's gonna retire for sure after his contract expires. He's damaged goods at this point in his career, would have to be extremely low asking price to move.
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05-20-2015, 10:41 AM
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#2264
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Franchise Player
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I could see a team going to Boston and trying to "help" them out of cap hell for the remainder of Chara's contract if someone does a huge offer sheet for Hamilton.
Honestly I think Hamilton for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd at this point is a no-brainer.
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05-20-2015, 10:41 AM
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#2265
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
Chara's fall from grace is predominantly injury related. His body just isn't holding up anymore. He's gonna retire for sure after his contract expires. He's damaged goods at this point in his career, would have to be extremely low asking price to move.
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Yeah, his knees are in Derrick Rose territory. Great captain, so he could have use to a rebuilding team like Buffalo, but his cap hit hurts.
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05-20-2015, 11:34 AM
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#2266
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Scott Bartlett @SCGscott
After 8 Pts in 8 GP at WCs we have fielded multiple #NHL offers for FIN's Joonas Donskoi. Likely to jump to North America. Decision soon
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=16039
Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Hearing SJ is likely destination...
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Confirmed.... he signed with the Sharks (sorry if mentioned elsewhere).
On Eurohockey.com's transfer page.
http://www.eurohockey.com/transfers.html
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05-20-2015, 06:24 PM
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#2267
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by northcrunk
Don't the Oilers have pretty much 3.5 million they are going to have to add to their cap next season with McDavid alone?
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The CBA has all sorts of loopholes in it. Because it will be an entry-level deal, most of McDavid's salary will be in the form of performance bonuses. Only $925,000 will be guaranteed.
The CBA allows teams to exceed the cap by an amount equal to all unpaid, potential bonuses (to a limit), so they basically don't count against the cap. The danger of that is if the bonus is earned by the player, and it causes his team to exceed the cap for that season, the amount of that excess is taken off the team's cap space the following year (this is what hurt the Bruins this season, they lost cap space because of Iginla's bonuses last season).
The one thing a team has to account for is that they are only allowed to use a "bonus cushion" equal to 7.5% of the team's total cap space for a season. If next year's cap is $73 million, that means the Oilers would only be allowed to have $5.475 million of bonus cushion. If McDavid gets a maximum contract and he makes the team along with Draisaitl, Nurse, and Klefbom, their total amount of available bonuses will be $6.525 million, so there will be about $1 million they can't use the cushion for.
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05-21-2015, 07:58 AM
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#2268
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Self Imposed Exile
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Calgary
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What position is Calgary the weakest in right now?
Do we have lots of cap space for the next 2 years?
If so, my hope would be we sign the most expensive UFA for that position for 1-2 years, with a high salary to compensate for short term, and trade bait him at the deadline if we aren't playing well.
Heck, sign a weaker player, but still consistent, to a short term (1-2 year) but $$$$ contract and then use him as trade bait, or if we are playing well, his contract comes off the books when cap issues become an issue for us... if my understanding is correct.
This is probably much easier said then done.
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05-21-2015, 08:06 AM
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#2269
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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Not only is it easier said than done, it's not really worth it right now. This team has shown chemistry and a strong work ethic. They aren't in tank mode like the oil have been for a decade so getting a player just for the sake of getting him and trading him doesn't make sense because in order to play that player, someone on the roster has to sit or be moved for him. If you're going to sign a big money UFA, he should be part of the future or at least part of the solution. Signing a player just to trade him doesn't really look that good and big name UFA's aren't going to sign one year deals.
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05-21-2015, 09:08 AM
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#2270
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kavvy
What position is Calgary the weakest in right now?
Do we have lots of cap space for the next 2 years?
If so, my hope would be we sign the most expensive UFA for that position for 1-2 years, with a high salary to compensate for short term, and trade bait him at the deadline if we aren't playing well.
Heck, sign a weaker player, but still consistent, to a short term (1-2 year) but $$$$ contract and then use him as trade bait, or if we are playing well, his contract comes off the books when cap issues become an issue for us... if my understanding is correct.
This is probably much easier said then done.
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The good UFA's just don't sign 2 year contracts for big money. They want term and security. Especially if Calgary is building a nice team they would want to be a part of it. Not come in then get shipped out.
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05-21-2015, 09:15 AM
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#2271
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
The good UFA's just don't sign 2 year contracts for big money. They want term and security. Especially if Calgary is building a nice team they would want to be a part of it. Not come in then get shipped out.
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And if you get an expensive one on a short term, they're gonna want a NMC
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05-21-2015, 09:19 AM
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#2272
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kavvy
What position is Calgary the weakest in right now?
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Possession-driving #3 defenseman.
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Do we have lots of cap space for the next 2 years?
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Nope. We have no shortage of cap space in 2015-16 but it likely disappears in 2016-17 without some wheeling and dealing. But we could have plenty in 2017-18.
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05-21-2015, 09:23 AM
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#2273
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Just tossing this out there for speculation, but with the Wild only having $8.5MM in cap room for the upcoming season... does anyone think that a player like Christian Folin becomes available for trade? Put up 10 points (2 goals, 8 assists) in 40 games this year in his first 'half' season with the Wild. He's 24, 6'3" and right around 210 for weight. In those 40 games last year he had 39 SOG and 46 Hits.
As a team looking for potentially even more depth on the blueline, as I doubt we see our top 4 get changed at all, is this a player the Flames should be targeting?
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05-21-2015, 09:30 AM
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#2274
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smalltownref
Just tossing this out there for speculation, but with the Wild only having $8.5MM in cap room for the upcoming season... does anyone think that a player like Christian Folin becomes available for trade? Put up 10 points (2 goals, 8 assists) in 40 games this year in his first 'half' season with the Wild. He's 24, 6'3" and right around 210 for weight. In those 40 games last year he had 39 SOG and 46 Hits.
As a team looking for potentially even more depth on the blueline, as I doubt we see our top 4 get changed at all, is this a player the Flames should be targeting?
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Folin is still not waiver eligible. So the Wild can send him up and down without waivers.
It is a good idea, but the Wild don't have any real pressure to trade him.
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05-21-2015, 09:32 AM
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#2275
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Possession-driving #3 defensemen
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Oooh! I know! Mark Fayne!
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05-22-2015, 09:41 AM
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#2276
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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RW Bud Holloway is looking to return to the North America.
http://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey...pa-spel-i-nhl/
Former 2006 3rd round pick of the Kings.
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=11620
He left for Europe in 2011 deciding he did not want to stay in the King's AHL system. (There are also rumors that he and Lombardi don't get along).
He tore up the Swedish league in 2012, leading that league in scoring.
Will be an UFA on July 1st.
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05-23-2015, 03:01 AM
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#2277
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Self-Retired
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I haven't jumped in this thread for a while.. One of the first posts I see is our need for a possession driving third dman..
If you ask me, a possession driving dman is really the last thing the flames need.
If anything, they need a true shutdown dman and a blue chip d prospect if not a couple.
Our top 4 d of Gio, Brodie, Russell and Wides are all possesion driving top 4 D.
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05-23-2015, 03:08 AM
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#2278
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Right shooting Right Winger that has skill. Sign me up.
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05-23-2015, 03:17 AM
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#2279
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Dec 2008
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I hope that flames wonīt do any offer sheet for Hamilton. What i can see is that flames will have guy like Loui Eriksson and some good Defense prospect. Boston getīs out for cap problems and flames get Eriksson for one year. Send Colborne to boston.
I ainīt no prospect expert, but Joe Morrow or Matt Grzelcyk are possible players.
Same with some other team that has cap problems like Chicago or Anaheim.
Anaheim ainīt have cap problems but is budget team and they have about 10 millions space. Need to sign Beauchemin and Silverberg. There problem is going to be that Wisniewski deal, two years laft at 5,5 millions and healthy scratch in play offs.
I hope flames donīt get Wisniewski.
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05-23-2015, 07:21 AM
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#2280
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: CGY
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Boston probably doesn't want colborne back
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