I have to say, the law enforcement agencies involved in this investigation as well as the people of Greater Boston have been nothing short of stellar. Just over 4 days to resolution of this thing. Truly amazing considering what they were facing Monday afternoon.
Agreed, that was extremely impressive to listen to on that scanner, just the level of coordination and patience setting up, and painstakingly taking every precaution possible to ensure no-one would be in the line of fire right before they were planning on moving in. Not that I didn't already have it anyway, but I gained huge respect for the police force and other emergency response teams listening to how that all played out.
...what wasn't impressive was after listening to that channel for over 4hrs straight after getting home, I was away for under 10min when they said the heli was going back to re-fuel, thinking I had a small window, and came back to hear them already celebrating. Though judging by the responses in this thread, it was an anti-climatic finish anyway, which further speaks to what an amazing job those involved did. After seeing that firefight in the morning, no way in hell did I expect him to be captured alive.
Just to pile in on the Religion/Athiesm debate, the desire to harm another group is an innate human tendency...religion can catalyze that desire but so can any number of ideals...
Its about the US vs THEM part of our brain that is genetically and culturally reinforced that allows this savagery to continue...
Blaming the flying spaghetti monster for this behaviour misses the root cause....
This.
Humans evolved in a world with limited resources, and we are hard wired to form packs and attack other packs. The animals we evolved from all do it, and unfortunately so do we.
South Park's episode "Go God Go" was pretty brilliant, and I'd suggest everyone watch it. For real life examples, just look at any political system through history. The moment one's enemies are defeated, new trouble starts from within. It could be Leninist vs. Stalinist, Red Coats vs. Blue Coats, Serbs vs. Croats, etc... It doesn't really matter.
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Humans evolved in a world with limited resources, and we are hard wired to form packs and attack other packs. The animals we evolved from all do it, and unfortunately so do we.
South Park's episode "Go God Go" was pretty brilliant, and I'd suggest everyone watch it. For real life examples, just look at any political system through history. The moment one's enemies are defeated, new trouble starts from within. It could be Leninist vs. Stalinist, Red Coats vs. Blue Coats, Serbs vs. Croats, etc... It doesn't really matter.
Yup. Competition for resources is the fundamental base for all conflicts. Human constructs, such as; race, religion, etc..., are just the ways we divide our teams. If neither of those things existed, we would still have the same conflicts going on as we'd still find way to separate ourselves from others. It's hardwired into our nature.
People who focus on religion as the basis of war and terrorism are fighting a meaningless side battle.
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Yup. Competition for resources is the fundamental base for all conflicts. Human constructs, such as; race, religion, etc..., are just the ways we divide our teams. If neither of those things existed, we would still have the same conflicts going on as we'd still find way to separate ourselves from others. It's hardwired into our nature.
People who focus on religion as the basis of war and terrorism are fighting a meaningless side battle.
I don't agree that resources are the fundamental basis for conflicts. In my opinion the basis for conflicts is most often the irrational, illogical and random nature of borders. People exist within an imaginary regional boundary which dictates how their lives must be lived.
The invisible hand by theory will rule how the resources are distributed. The ruler of a land dictates how they will live within their border along with the invisible hand which dictates how resources will be managed.
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After watching a couple videos of that last gunfight with the clown in the boat, I am stunned he isnt with his vestal virgins already. How he survived that along with the night before is almost unexplainable.
What an amazing week though. So many stories to be told moving forward.
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Because I was a part of a debate where the idea of "Godlessness is the cause of this violence.............."
I posted this on FB, in responce, because I'm sick and TIRED of the suggestion that atheists are somehow responsible or part of the problem......
I think the important part is not the religion but fundamentalist ideology. The idea that everyone must adhere to your ideals otherwise they are lesser. It doesn't have to be religion. It can be the belief that nature deserves protecting even if it means hurting people (ecoterrorism). It can be the belief that your race, gender, sexuality is superior. It can be the belief that one's self is inherently superior.
So what I'm saying is, with religious violence, most of the problem is with how it is believed rather than the belief itself. I think less emphasis needs to be placed on what people believe and more emphasis on how people construct belief systems that lead to violence.
My take on it sides more with Uncle Ruslan. They had a negative view of others so they attached themselves to an ideology that justified that belief. If it wasn't Islam it would have been something else.
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I don't agree that resources are the fundamental basis for conflicts. In my opinion the basis for conflicts is most often the irrational, illogical and random nature of borders. People exist within an imaginary regional boundary which dictates how their lives must be lived.
The invisible hand by theory will rule how the resources are distributed. The ruler of a land dictates how they will live within their border along with the invisible hand which dictates how resources will be managed.
imaginary, regional and FINITE boundary right? Sounds like you are saying the same thing tbh. For however context boundary, it is referring to something that is finite, in order words, limited.
Good job 'Murika. Keep cutting that education funding.
A guy on the radio here in Toronto said that it was believed that they were Croatian. It's amazing how geographically ignorant some people are, especially in the media.
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imaginary, regional and FINITE boundary right? Sounds like you are saying the same thing tbh. For however context boundary, it is referring to something that is finite, in order words, limited.
Huh? People can have a hut or a house and cannot walk across a line, or a border. They can be ruled by a government that they dont believe rules them or feel the other side of the line belongs to them.
Have a look at the way borders have been created for the last few hundred years and there is repeated conflict. The USSR was a great example, they had almost a dozen countries and probably even more unique ethnic groups all tied up within their border. Look at Iraq currently, two groups that under Hussein existed together only because of a dictatorship. Remove the grip of a dictator and conflicts takes place.
There certainly have been wars based on simply taking over land, but the route of conflict often is rooted in thousands of unique cultures wrapped up in a couple hundred borders.
The world is certainly limited, yet conquest always leads to a segment of population not wanting their current government or disliking their neighbors.
I pointed out before that the bombers and the Elvis impersonator who sent the ricin to Obama and Senator Wicker this week were all 9/11 Truthers, but I was just looking through the younger bomber's twitter feed (@J_tsar) and was struck by the similarity of the wording in the ricin letters to something that he posted.
Dzohakar tweeted:
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There are people that know the truth but stay silent & there are people that speak the truth but we don't hear them cuz they're the minority
The Elvis impersonator wrote:
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To see a wrong and not expose it, is to become a silent partner to its continuance
I don't see how this could be anything other than a coincidence, but given their beliefs, those quotes and the timing of the respective terrorist attacks, it is a pretty big coincidence.
The best part about these Truther guys is they don't realize everyone else gets it. They feel like they HAVE to get the word out there, especially in regards to governments not informing the public of all decisions.
The reality is that people know some actions go unadvertised. The difference is that regular people are too busy living their own lives to spend any energy worrying.
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