Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Firebot]

Both Liberals and Conservatives promising tax cuts on the lowest income bracket, with Conservatives wanting a higher percentage announced this morning. The race to buy votes starts.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...-cut-1.7491457

Is Singh going to come in to say he wants a quadruple cut? Stay tuned apparently, because he apparently got caught offguard.

Singh slams 'millionaire tax cut plan'
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh criticized both the Liberal and the Conservative proposals, calling them "tax cuts for millionaires."

"Both of their plans for tax cuts for millionaires are exactly that, they are plans that help out millionaires more than they help out families," Singh said in Montreal.

The NDP leader said the problem with the proposed income tax cut is that it reduces the tax paid on all income in the first tax bracket, which gives someone earning $57,375 the same tax reduction as it gives someone much more.

"Is it reasonable to propose a measure that gives the same amount of money to someone who earns $500,000," as it is to someone who earns one-tenth of that, Singh asked?

This election, the NDP could be fighting for its own survival
The NDP leader said his party will be proposing its own tax plan in the coming days but he said Monday that he favours cutting the GST from essentials like internet access, cell phone and heating bills.

"Those are bills where if you remove the GST that will disproportionately help workers," he said.

Singh did not address the fact that taking the GST off those bills would also provide a break on essentials for higher income earners.

Singh you clearly knew you had an election coming to prepare for, and you don't have a plan? No wonder the NDP is in complete shambles with such a rudderless leader at the helm.

On the bolded...that's such a stupid way of looking at it. That's not how tax brackets work. Percentage wise someone making 500K will see a very negligible benefit to the lowest bracket percentage being changed as that person pays most income at a much higher tax bracket. The impact of lowering the percentage of the lowest bracket has a much more significant impact to someone making 57K or less. That's the whole reason why lower tax brackets are lower percentages and why we have a base 15,705$ with 0% before you have to pay tax (that everyone enjoys, mind blown).

Does Singh even understand what the heck he stands for anymore? He's completely floundering.

2nd bold, LOL.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Both Liberals and Conservatives promising tax cuts on the lowest income bracket, with Conservatives wanting a higher percentage announced this morning. The race to buy votes starts.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...-cut-1.7491457

Is Singh going to come in to say he wants a quadruple cut? Stay tuned apparently, because he apparently got caught offguard.



Singh you clearly knew you had an election coming to prepare for, and you don't have a plan? No wonder the NDP is in complete shambles with such a rudderless leader at the helm.

On the bolded...that's such a stupid way of looking at it. That's not how tax brackets work. Percentage wise someone making 500K will see a very negligible benefit to the lowest bracket percentage being changed as that person pays most income at a much higher tax bracket. The impact of lowering the percentage of the lowest bracket has a much more significant impact to someone making 57K or less. That's the whole reason why lower tax brackets are lower percentages and why we have a base 15,705$ with 0% before you have to pay tax (that everyone enjoys, mind blown).

Does Singh even understand what the heck he stands for anymore? He's completely floundering.

And as pointed out in the quote, his proposed GST cut on essentials....also benefits the wealthy?

[calgarygeologist]

^ I just spend 30 minutes reading through the few hundred comments on r/CanadaPolitics about Pierre's tax cut and it is an assuming read. Everyone is alarmed at Pierre's tax cut and are questioning how he will pay for it and what public programs he will cut. Almost no one has any concern about Carney's very similar tax cut.

[Slava]

I don't know, not every single policy needs to only be about wealth redistribution and not give any benefit to people who earn more. It's OK to have some things that benefit everyone?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

^ I just spend 30 minutes reading through the few hundred comments on r/CanadaPolitics about Pierre's tax cut and it is an assuming read. Everyone is alarmed at Pierre's tax cut and are questioning how he will pay for it and what public programs he will cut. Almost no one has any concern about Carney's very similar tax cut.

Well, Pierre did say

a Conservative government will pay for the tax cut by cutting waste, eliminating bureaucracy and consultants and bringing in a rule that any new spending needs to be offset by spending cuts of the same size.

So it's reasonable to ponder what is going to go. Carney hasn't(to my knowledge) said how he'd pay for it, but given the expansion of dental, it's probably not going to be from cutting services. But it's fair to wonder how or if Carney plans to budget for it.


https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...income-tax-cut

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Does Singh even understand what the heck he stands for anymore? He's completely floundering.

There isn't really a good place for the NDP to stand policy wise in this election. They have two ways to move:

1) Try to compete with the CPC & LPC. Which is what he's kinda doing with that non-sense, trying to basically agree with the premise of tax cuts, but argue the semantics of how they are made. In the current political environment this is almost political suicide.

or

2) Tack left and try to pick up voters Carney is leaving behind by moving right. Ignore the speaking points of the LPC & CPC and find their own vision of the future in a post-free trade with the US Canada. Be democratic socialists - announce nationalization of industries threatened by trade, announce a Universal Basic Income, promise universal programs to take care of people after they lose their jobs. This isn't going to win them the election, but it might hold on to more seats to fight the next election.

[Doctorfever]

NDP seems to be at a crossroads. The Liberals are moving closer to the center, yet the NDP don’t seem to be able to pick up any votes from the more left leaning Liberals. The NDP seems to be losing votes to the Liberals as they move further right.

Are voters generally moving further right?

Is there any danger of the NDP losing official party status?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well, Pierre did say

So it's reasonable to ponder what is going to go. Carney hasn't(to my knowledge) said how he'd pay for it, but given the expansion of dental, it's probably not going to be from cutting services. But it's fair to wonder how or if Carney plans to budget for it.


https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...income-tax-cut

I'm certain that Carney's Department of Transformation will find some great efficiencies within the government and public service which will help pay for tax cuts.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

NDP seems to be at a crossroads. The Liberals are moving closer to the center, yet the NDP don’t seem to be able to pick up any votes from the more left leaning Liberals. The NDP seems to be losing votes to the Liberals as they move further right.

Are voters generally moving further right?

Is there any danger of the NDP losing official party status?

They are possibly.

I think moreso, Canadians want stability in uncertain times. So either Liberals or Conservatives, they want a majority government, which is really bad news for the NDP and maybe bad news for the Bloc too.

[Fuzz]

NDP's best bet is probably to admit defeat now. Still do what they can, but they are always short on cash so shouldn't spend much this cycle. It's just going to be wasted. They need to consolidate around what they can keep and not worry about the rest.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Are voters generally moving further right?

No, the Downtown Toronto types are just as lefty as they always have been. Just the practicality of the trade situation with the US means they have to pick a side that can practically win and that's what ultimately has given Carney license to move as right as he needs to in order to capture the middle 10-20% of voters to head off the CPC.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Not sure if anyone has shared this yet but 10/10 funny - it definitely reminds me of how someone in the US communicates. I pulled some of my favourites https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/pre-...strategy-poll/

CP Jihad...?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

No, the Downtown Toronto types are just as lefty as they always have been. Just the practicality of the trade situation with the US means they have to pick a side that can practically win and that's what ultimately has given Carney license to move as right as he needs to in order to capture the middle 10-20% of voters to head off the CPC.

Wild that if the voters are the same as last election cycles, as far as left / right, that the NDP are losing even more ground as the Liberals shift right.

I guess all the virtue signalling about how pipelines are bad for Canada and the environment isn’t a good message anymore?

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Wild that if the voters are the same as last election cycles, as far as left / right, that the NDP are losing even more ground as the Liberals shift right.

I guess all the virtue signaling about how pipelines are bad for Canada and the environment isn’t a good message anymore?

Some people have different priorities when the existential building blocks for their existence are threatened. One could point out that maybe their political beliefs shouldn't have in different ways threatened those same building blocks . . . .

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Wild that if the voters are the same as last election cycles, as far as left / right, that the NDP are losing even more ground as the Liberals shift right.

I guess all the virtue signalling about how pipelines are bad for Canada and the environment isn’t a good message anymore?

Yes, it's almost like priorities have necessarily shifted. You'll also notice this has had a drastic affect on the popularity of the CPC, as people understanding electing Maple MAGA is actually something we need to avoid. Well, smart people, anyway.

[Muta]

[Luke LeBrun] Two Conservative insiders told @stephenmaher.bsky.social that Poilievre’s team discussed using Conservative candidate Jamil Jivani to send back channel messages to JD Vance requesting Donald Trump “distance himself from Poilievre”

https://bsky.app/profile/lukelebrun..../3ll37c6ttz22c

Gross if true. Foreign interference in our election should not be tolerated, even if it comes from our neighbors south of us. No wonder Milhouse doesn't want to get his security clearance.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well, Pierre did say

So it's reasonable to ponder what is going to go. Carney hasn't(to my knowledge) said how he'd pay for it, but given the expansion of dental, it's probably not going to be from cutting services. But it's fair to wonder how or if Carney plans to budget for it.


https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...income-tax-cut

These days, any mention of “reducing bureaucracy” just reads like “we want less checks and balances on power” to me.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Muta

[Luke LeBrun] Two Conservative insiders told @stephenmaher.bsky.social that Poilievre’s team discussed using Conservative candidate Jamil Jivani to send back channel messages to JD Vance requesting Donald Trump “distance himself from Poilievre”

https://bsky.app/profile/lukelebrun..../3ll37c6ttz22c

Gross if true. Foreign interference in our election should not be tolerated, even if it comes from our neighbors south of us. No wonder Milhouse doesn't want to get his security clearance.

We're just at the start of day 2 and #### like this coming out lol.

What's day 10 going to be like?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

NDP seems to be at a crossroads. The Liberals are moving closer to the center, yet the NDP don’t seem to be able to pick up any votes from the more left leaning Liberals. The NDP seems to be losing votes to the Liberals as they move further right.

Are voters generally moving further right?

Is there any danger of the NDP losing official party status?

Canadians want to move more right, but not MAGA right like where the Cons are. The fact that people were going to hold their noses and vote PP was a sign of that. Now with Carney in charge and the Liberals seemingly shifting from their more left positions, we're seeing an appetite for a 4th Liberal term, despite all the problems that plagued them over the last 10 years under Trudeau. How hard has PP fumbled here?

Most moderate conservatives like me can't stand the Pollieve, I don't know how you expect people who tradtionally voted liberals to vote for him.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Canadians want to move more right, but not MAGA right like where the Cons are. The fact that people were going to hold their noses and vote PP was a sign of that. Now with Carney in charge and the Liberals seemingly shifting from their more left positions, we're seeing an appetite for a 4th Liberal term, despite all the problems that plagued them over the last 10 years under Trudeau. How hard has PP fumbled here?

Most moderate conservatives like me can't stand the Pollieve, I don't know how you expect people who tradtionally voted liberals to vote for him.

Why do you think voters want to move right?