Barn Burner: The Boys are Back!! (Boomer, Pinder & Warrener)

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Honestly, he should have just not taken that interview.

If he were forced to, I think if Maloney simply stated something along the lines of:

"I understand the fans frustrations, we are also disappointed how the season's started so far, and we believe the team can play better. We are always evaluating the team for long term success, and making the team better overall. So no options are off the table".

I think that would have at least settled the masses down a little.

I didn’t look at it as an independent decision by Maloney. When you have the Flames host and POHO turning and talking to the camera (audience) in the way they did? That was a coordinated PR play, just a really poorly done one.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't even know that there's an anti-tank crowd.

I would only refer to myself as anti-tank because I will always associate the word "tank" with deliberately losing.

But I'm one of the people who will never celebrate losses but won't let them irritate me either because I know a high draft pick helps trying to make the rebuild successful.

[Burning Beard]

Maloney's full of Balogny

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I find the bolded extremely hard to believe.

The underlined is hyperbole.

My limited experience says you are correct.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The question is, do you want a good return, or do you want the return you can get right this minute? A number of posters seem to have their knickers in a twist because the trades are not happening RFN.

People are disappointed that by all accounts, Kadri and Coleman aren’t even on the market. And they’re worried that might still be the case in March.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People are disappointed that by all accounts, Kadri and Coleman aren’t even on the market. And they’re worried that might still be the case in March.

This isn't correct. People are spinning a few third hand comments into this.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'm still trying to figure out what Maloney said that set this off. He didn't inspire a ton of confidence, but I think even a rebuilding team would not come out and say "we are about to blow this up and trade Kadri, Coleman, and Andersson. This team is terrible".

Should he have said maybe "we are open for business" or something to that effect? Probably. But what exactly do fans want him to say?

My attempt:

"It’s been a tough start—no one in our organization is satisfied with where we’re at. Our fans deserve a team that wins, and we appreciate the passion and support you continue to show us.

Our hockey operations group is evaluating everything with one clear goal: building a team that can compete for the Stanley Cup year after year. That’s the standard we're looking to establish here in Calgary. Now, that doesn’t mean we’re putting up a ‘for sale’ sign. The NHL can change quickly, and we believe there’s still more in this group.

At the same time, we’re honest with ourselves. A quarter of the season in, we haven’t met expectations, and we’re in a spot no one wants to be in. Our commitment is to make smart, responsible decisions that position this team to win—not just for a stretch, but sustainably. That’s what our fans deserve, and that’s what we’re focused on every day."

Doesn't commit to anything, but tells you the future is the focus.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Buff

Rebuild.

Not a rebuild.

Who cares what we call it? Take a look at what the Flames are doing and come to your own conclusions. Why are we so hung up on the Flames not willing to put a label on their current situation?

That is not what the issue is.

End of the day it comes down to how many changes they make this year and what type. We all know Andersson is on his way out but who else? Do they hold onto Kadri and Coleman? People are concerned that is their plan. To run it back or try and win with this group next year.

Last year’s season skewed the direction for fans and I think they are worried the team thinks they are closer than they are. The reported reluctance from ownership to trade 35 year old players fuels narratives that have some validity (otherwise they wouldn’t be so widely believed)

So you have some fans who are totally spooked and others who are looking at it as a plan being executed and a decent amount who are unsure what is going on. The Flames haven’t made any moves to suggest they are in it to win it but fans want to see older assets flipped for futures and not just the UFA.

If Kadri gets traded the fanbase will have a better idea of the direction. It is very important Conroy gets that deal right and despite what some fans want that is not today.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This isn't correct. People are spinning a few third hand comments into this.

GMs almost never come out publicly and say that players are on the block. So all we have to go on is the tidbits offered by insiders. That’s true of all trade rumours in every market since forever.

So should we discount all rumours about player movement and availability, or only the ones we don’t like?

Personally, when four or five credible, accredited members of the media say they’re hearing the same thing, I tend to believe it’s true. But YMMV.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

GMs almost never come and say that players are on the block. So all we have to go on is the tidbits offered by insiders. That’s true of every all trade rumours in every market since forever.

So should we discount all rumours about players movement and availability, or only the ones we don’t like?

Personally, when four or five credible, accredited members of the media say they’re hearing the same thing, I tend to believe it’s true. But YMMV.

I don’t know why Coleman would be number 4 on the Athletics trade board then?

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well he would have been better saying nothing.

Dammit...you beat me to it!!

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

My limited experience says you are correct.

As does my own…

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t know why Coleman would be number 4 on the Athletics trade board then?

That board is just speculation about who could be targeted in trades. NHL GMs aren’t out there pitching trade proposals to one another day and night.

[Lewis_D]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I find the bolded extremely hard to believe.

If the bolded is true Conroy must be terrified of doing any interviews during the combine lol.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That is not what the issue is.

End of the day it comes down to how many changes they make this year and what type. We all know Andersson is on his way out but who else? Do they hold onto Kadri and Coleman? People are concerned that is their plan. To run it back or try and win with this group next year.

Last year’s season skewed the direction for fans and I think they are worried the team thinks they are closer than they are. The reported reluctance from ownership to trade 35 year old players fuels narratives that have some validity (otherwise they wouldn’t be so widely believed)

So you have some fans who are totally spooked and others who are looking at it as a plan being executed and a decent amount who are unsure what is going on. The Flames haven’t made any moves to suggest they are in it to win it but fans want to see older assets flipped for futures and not just the UFA.

If Kadri gets traded the fanbase will have a better idea of the direction. It is very important Conroy gets that deal right and despite what some fans want that is not today.

This is totally it, and it was a great point made on the barnburner cast. They can lean in and optimize this rebuild, or they can make unnecessary mistakes like failing to maximize returns for aging assets -- which could do more to create a prolonged Buffalo type situation they desperately want to avoid.

And its not like this franchise hasn't hung on to old players too long before.
I think everyone just wants to see some indication that this team indeed knows what it needs to do and has the resolve to do it.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That board is just speculation about who could be targeted in trades. NHL GMs aren’t out there pitching trade proposals to one another day and night.

CJ is an insider and he is speculating that Coleman is in play. Friedman has stated the Flames are listening. Lebrun says they are getting calls but are reluctant to move him.

What reports are there that say he is not being traded?

[Lewis_D]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What reports are there that say he is not being traded?

Don Maloney said we aren't doing a rebiggle.

[The EBUG's EBUG]

Maybe wrong thread but following up on Boomer's rant the other day Francis with a 1 on 1 with Donny boy.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-up-on-season/

Ho boy this is going to be received well.

Anybody else concerned that we're hearing from Moloney and not the most talkative GM in the league?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The EBUG's EBUG

Maybe wrong thread but following up on Boomer's rant the other day Francis with a 1 on 1 with Donny boy.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-up-on-season/

Ho boy this is going to be received well.

Anybody else concerned that we're hearing from Moloney and not the most talkative GM in the league?

Yeah I'm a little puzzled by that too, particularly when coupled with the fact Conroy doesn't have an extension yet.

Maybe this guy thinks he's showing great leadership by getting out there.

But it's a complete mis-read of the situation.

[BigT112]

Originally Posted by The EBUG's EBUG

Maybe wrong thread but following up on Boomer's rant the other day Francis with a 1 on 1 with Donny boy.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-up-on-season/

Ho boy this is going to be received well.

Anybody else concerned that we're hearing from Moloney and not the most talkative GM in the league?

If this was damage control.....yikes. This franchise is cooked.