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sureLoss · 05-17-2015, 06:30 PM

Scott Bartlett @SCGscott
After 8 Pts in 8 GP at WCs we have fielded multiple #NHL offers for FIN's Joonas Donskoi. Likely to jump to North America. Decision soon

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=16039

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Hearing SJ is likely destination...

MissTeeks · 05-18-2015, 06:00 PM

@FriedgeHNIC: Hearing Czech D Jakub Nakladal close to finalizing an NHL deal. Among finalists are the three Cs -- CAL, CAR, CHI.

Walter Reed · 05-18-2015, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bysutter

Jake Gardiner would thrive in our defensive system.

Gardner's shortcomings aren't the tools but rather the toolbox.
Maybe under different coaching it will come but to this point his mental mistakes are atrocious.

jessnuts · 05-19-2015, 10:57 AM

What do people think will be the incentive to take lupul or bozak from the leafs. I think they have negative value in a trade and could come with a bit of a bonus. To be clear, I don't think they fit with the flames. If they had 2 years left then both would maybe fill a need and be worth seeing what came with them, but not at the length they have left. Don't need any issues in the next couple years with the re-signings we have coming up. Any, back to the point, do those two come with a bonus pick or player if traded for. Which team might be looking at taking them on and for what? What are some possible scenarios?

codynw · 05-19-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bysutter

Jake Gardiner would thrive in our defensive system.

When did Jake Gardiner's mother start posting here?

Street Pharmacist · 05-19-2015, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jessnuts

What do people think will be the incentive to take lupul or bozak from the leafs. I think they have negative value in a trade and could come with a bit of a bonus. To be clear, I don't think they fit with the flames. If they had 2 years left then both would maybe fill a need and be worth seeing what came with them, but not at the length they have left. Don't need any issues in the next couple years with the re-signings we have coming up. Any, back to the point, do those two come with a bonus pick or player if traded for. Which team might be looking at taking them on and for what? What are some possible scenarios?

Lupul will be 34 and owed $3.75M in the 3rd and final year but have a cap hit of $5.25M. There would be teams interested I would guess. He's a Right shooting forward which is something that's sorely lacking and he's got decent size. Not saying we should take him, but I wouldn't be opposed to it either

united · 05-19-2015, 11:12 AM

"Hardest working team" and "always earned never given" are the opposite of what Jake Gardiner is. Perhaps he can be changed, but it doesn't seem likely at this point.

Randy Carlyle is right: Jake Gardiner does need to play tougher
http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/615169

Oling_Roachinen · 05-19-2015, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jessnuts

What do people think will be the incentive to take lupul or bozak from the leafs. I think they have negative value in a trade and could come with a bit of a bonus.

I wouldn't agree with that. Bozak's under 30 and put up 50 points and 20+ goals in a season where scoring was down. He's certainly not a cornerblock of a franchise, but I don't see his 4M pricetag being much of an issue.

Lupul's coming off a horrible season but prior to this season, when healthy and playing, he was consistently putting up pretty decent numbers with the Leafs. Toronto has a lot of space and only really Kadri and Bernier to re-sign. So I don't really see the incentive to move these guys right now at anywhere close to a negative value.

sureLoss · 05-19-2015, 11:22 AM

offer sheet compensation for the upcoming season: (reminder that all the picks must originally belong to the team that the player signs with and will be for the 2016 draft and beyond)

codynw · 05-19-2015, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

offer sheet compensation for the upcoming season:

I'm actually really starting to hope the Flames offer sheet Dougie Hamilton. He's easily worth giving up a 1st and 3rd. Maybe even 1st, 2nd and 3rd. And having 6 picks in the first 3 rounds this year would make having none next year easier to swallow.

sureLoss · 05-19-2015, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by codynw

I'm actually really starting to hope the Flames offer sheet Dougie Hamilton. He's easily worth giving up a 1st and 3rd. Maybe even 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Especially since the Flames have got 6 picks in the first three rounds this year.

the picks will be for the 2016 and beyond draft as free agency begins after the 2015 draft.

codynw · 05-19-2015, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

the picks will be for the 2016 and beyond draft as free agency begins after the 2015 draft.

Yea I knew that. I edited my post to make it clearer, you just quoted me too fast.

Stanathan · 05-19-2015, 12:20 PM

I would have no issue offering a 2 year deal at $9,131,645 and paying the 2 x 1sts, 2nd, and a 3rd for Dougie Hamilton. 2016 and 2017 1sts are so far away and who the hell knows if they will pan out to be anything. The Flames will also likely have the cap flexibility on a short term deal.

To me the only issue is do you want to do that to the Bruins and force them into a worse spot than they are already in and ruin that relationship with a new GM coming in. It would also send a strong message to the rest of the league's GMs that they may not appreciate.

Sure it's within the rules and all GMs know it's legal, but that doesn't mean they have to like being taken advantage of.

DionTheDman · 05-19-2015, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

I'm actually really starting to hope the Flames offer sheet Dougie Hamilton. He's easily worth giving up a 1st and 3rd. Maybe even 1st, 2nd and 3rd. And having 6 picks in the first 3 rounds this year would make having none next year easier to swallow.

Could trade some of this year's picks for picks next year too, if they were so inclined, so they aren't shut out from the first three rounds all together.

dammage79 · 05-19-2015, 12:51 PM

2016 picks are an interesting gamble. Sign the right RFA and your 1st round pick is in the mid to late 20's.

handgroen · 05-19-2015, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Stanathan

I would have no issue offering a 2 year deal at $9,131,645 and paying the 2 x 1sts, 2nd, and a 3rd for Dougie Hamilton. 2016 and 2017 1sts are so far away and who the hell knows if they will pan out to be anything. The Flames will also likely have the cap flexibility on a short term deal.

To me the only issue is do you want to do that to the Bruins and force them into a worse spot than they are already in and ruin that relationship with a new GM coming in. It would also send a strong message to the rest of the league's GMs that they may not appreciate.

Sure it's within the rules and all GMs know it's legal, but that doesn't mean they have to like being taken advantage of.

geez, that's a high price...way too much IMO

Stanathan · 05-19-2015, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by handgroen

geez, that's a high price...way too much IMO

The purpose of the salary would be to ensure BOS can't match. In a lower category I'm sure they do. This is also why I said 2 years instead of longer. The amount is irrelevant in respect of the Flames owners' deep pockets and their cap flexibility. Why does the number bother you?

ComixZone · 05-19-2015, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stanathan

I would have no issue offering a 2 year deal at $9,131,645 and paying the 2 x 1sts, 2nd, and a 3rd for Dougie Hamilton. 2016 and 2017 1sts are so far away and who the hell knows if they will pan out to be anything. The Flames will also likely have the cap flexibility on a short term deal.

You do realize we'd then have to qualify him at north of $9,131,645 to retain his rights after those two years (assuming he's still an RFA).

codynw · 05-19-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

You do realize we'd then have to qualify him at north of $9,131,645 to retain his rights after those two years (assuming he's still an RFA).

Yea you can't offer him $9M because that sets up his next contract to be at least that much.

$6.5 is the highest I'd go for Hamilton. Boston probably matches, but they'd be super pissed about it and they'd need to shed some salary after.

Mattman · 05-19-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stanathan

I would have no issue offering a 2 year deal at $9,131,645 and paying the 2 x 1sts, 2nd, and a 3rd for Dougie Hamilton. 2016 and 2017 1sts are so far away and who the hell knows if they will pan out to be anything. The Flames will also likely have the cap flexibility on a short term deal.

To me the only issue is do you want to do that to the Bruins and force them into a worse spot than they are already in and ruin that relationship with a new GM coming in. It would also send a strong message to the rest of the league's GMs that they may not appreciate.

Sure it's within the rules and all GMs know it's legal, but that doesn't mean they have to like being taken advantage of.

It's not as much as "Let's screw the Bruins" as it is "How can we improve our team"

If a team does choose to exploit this then it's Chiarellis fault for putting the Bruins in that position, not the GM who wants to make his team better.