Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

There goes one of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live and too rare to die.

Quoted for the amazing Hunter S Thompson reference!

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by Alpha_Q

I refuse to believe that anyone can be this ####ing obtuse.

I understand tying Donald Trump to Canadian conservatives is a really easy and convenient play. I get it...

I just want to see some facts that back up the fact that Trump is really that much invested in who our new Prime Minister is. I can assure you he probably doesn't really care and his agenda will be the same regardless.

[indes]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poil...-cut-1.7365339


Cant make this stuff up.

If you told me the opposition actually came up with an actionable policy that made sense for Canadians and it was implemented by the acting government I would absolutely think it was made up. Nice to have some adults around that will act for Canadians instead of turning everything partisan eh?

[puffnstuff]

Its not like trump/gop and pp are in the same RW conservative club that is working to advance their agenda all over the world. Thats ridiculous. What next, gonna tell me Stephen Harper in charge of it?

Wait....what?

[Geraldsh]

Originally Posted by Firebot

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...morning-skate/



I take back everything I said good about Carney.

This is the moment that support for Carney falls on this site. A vote for Carney is the same as cheering for the Oilers

You got to read between the lines here; PM Carney is the man we need no matter how bad the team he is standing with is.

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by indes

If you told me the opposition actually came up with an actionable policy that made sense for Canadians and it was implemented by the acting government I would absolutely think it was made up. Nice to have some adults around that will act for Canadians instead of turning everything partisan eh?

Blue or Red if this happened more we would all be better off.

[rubecube]

Lol. I see the new CPC ad strategy is to call him "Sneaky Carney."

Really doing a great job of distancing themselves from the accusations that they're running the Trump playbook.

[Alpha_Q]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

I understand tying Donald Trump to Canadian conservatives is a really easy and convenient play. I get it...

I just want to see some facts that back up the fact that Trump is really that much invested in who our new Prime Minister is. I can assure you he probably doesn't really care and his agenda will be the same regardless.

Add naive to my original comment.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

This is taken right from the article. Is this the production highs you are referring to?

The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers — which represents companies responsible for three-quarters of Canada’s annual oil and natural gas production — said the proposed changes would deter investment and undermine employment in the sector.

This week, a group of top energy executives called on the leaders of the four main federal political parties to declare a Canadian energy crisis and scrap the emissions cap.

https://static.aer.ca/prd/documents/...nfographic.pdf (more infographics at the link, with actual facts)

Credible source for quotes there....it's nice that they try, and seem to have convinced a few Canadians our energy industry is, and has been in crisis. Except that, other than the pandemic, production has done nothing but rise, year after year. There is no crisis. An emissions cap will not lead to a crisis. At worst it would be a stagnation.

It'd be nice if industry associations stepped back from the brink and used the appropriate words, because this flailing manufactured panic isn't doing anything for the conversation, and just empowers Smith to blow up our country. Then perhaps we could have a reasonable discussion.

Declare a Canadian energy crisis. What a riot.

[Drak]

Energy crisis is directly from the Trump playbook, when under Biden the US was producing record amounts of oil.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

This is taken right from the article. Is this the production highs you are referring to?

The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers — which represents companies responsible for three-quarters of Canada’s annual oil and natural gas production — said the proposed changes would deter investment and undermine employment in the sector.

This week, a group of top energy executives called on the leaders of the four main federal political parties to declare a Canadian energy crisis and scrap the emissions cap.

The production highs were suggested by the PBO report, which I mentioned. Hell, if you wanted to be smart, you could have just read the report and seen that the PBO suggested O&G companies would likely just cut production to meet the emissions cap, which I then would have pointed out as a cut to the 15+% increase which is still an increase, and then we could have gone around in circles a couple times.

Weirdly, I still don’t see anywhere in your quote why you lied about it being a “production cap.” When you have to lie to make someone look bad (especially for something with plenty of valid criticism like an emissions cap), it makes you look pretty silly.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Credible source for quotes there....it's nice that they try, and seem to have convinced a few Canadians our energy industry is, and has been in crisis. Except that, other than the pandemic, production has done nothing but rise, year after year. There is no crisis. An emissions cap will not lead to a crisis. At worst it would be a stagnation.

The funniest part about this is that if you go back to when the PBO report was released, the energy sector’s biggest issue was that they could do EVEN BETTER than what the PBO modeled out, and they took issues with the PBO’s assumption that producers would rather cut production than invest in technology or rely on the cap and trade system to further increase production (beyond the production increase already highlighted).

Like, their worst case scenario isn’t stagnation, it’s production growth that’s a few percent lower than what it would be without the cap, without cap and trade, and without further investing in making Canada’s energy “the most ethical on earth.”

And you’ve got people here basically ignoring what even the industry has said and calling it a production cap lol.

Bizarre.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Lol. I see the new CPC ad strategy is to call him "Sneaky Carney."

Really doing a great job of distancing themselves from the accusations that they're running the Trump playbook.

Taken from reddit without a source (I haven't seen it reported)

I loved his response at the very end of his press conference today when a reporter asked a nonsense gotcha question about ‘reimbursing taxpayers for the expense of flying to Europe’.

Carney laid out why it’s so important to increase ties with our European trading partners and reduce our reliance on the USA to which the weaselly reporter just said:

“I’ll take that as a no then”

And Carney replied with

“No, you’ll take that as a very comprehensive answer to your question”

So could be BS, but if this kind of pushback is "snarky" then I'm all in for it.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The funniest part about this is that if you go back to when the PBO report was released, the energy sector’s biggest issue was that they could do EVEN BETTER than what the PBO modeled out, and they took issues with the PBO’s assumption that producers would rather cut production than invest in technology or rely on the cap and trade system to further increase production (beyond the production increase already highlighted).

Like, their worst case scenario isn’t stagnation, it’s production growth that’s a few percent lower than what it would be without the cap, without cap and trade, and without further investing in making Canada’s energy “the most ethical on earth.”

And you’ve got people here basically ignoring what even the industry has said and calling it a production cap lol.

Bizarre.

They'd prefer to be loud than correct. Any time you see it called a production cap you know precisely which they've chosen.

[Nufy]

Election incoming...

Sports TV will be unbearable to watch for the next month and a half...

Hello grey market streaming...

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

This.....is one of the most damning things I have seen in a long time. Holy #### our country is in disrepair at the moment. And none of these leaders and parties care. They just fight on the identity of it.

FIX OUR ECONOMY!

And to be clear, this is decades of stupidity bringing us to this point. The previous Conservative government didn't increase our oil & gas exporting capabilities either.

But after 9 years of this, bringing us to a pretty clear line in the sand, pretty crazy that people lap up what Carney is doing when he has the EXACT same clowns that created this in his cabinet.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poil...-cut-1.7365339


Cant make this stuff up.

So the leader of one party agrees with something the leader of the other party said, and then went ahead and did it, and this is a bad thing?

Do you think that makes him a bad leader?
Would a good leader look at a good idea and say "No" simply because he doesn't like the source?

Shouldn't a good leader consider all ideas, and work to implement the good ones regardless of where/who they come from?

[Vedder]

Back to basics. Why does the emissions cap exist?

Another layer of regulation and uncertainty on top of multiple regulations aimed at achieving the exact same thing.

Undercutting your most productive industry at a time that GDP per capita is decreasing. Achieving nothing globally while other nations that will take the market share. All the while giving yourself a pat on the back. Horrible policy.

Regardless of the projection or overall impact, it can only cut one way, and that's decreasing investment and GDP.

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

So the leader of one party agrees with something the leader of the other party said, and then went ahead and did it, and this is a bad thing?

Do you think that makes him a bad leader?
Would a good leader look at a good idea and say "No" simply because he doesn't like the source?

Shouldn't a good leader consider all ideas, and work to implement the good ones regardless of where/who they come from?

I have no issue with it at all. I just wish for the last decade they were more willing to implement good policy vs bad policy. I mean it’s somewhat interesting that they are implementing all of these conservative policies in such a small time frame right before an election.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Azure

But after 9 years of this, bringing us to a pretty clear line in the sand, pretty crazy that people lap up what Carney is doing when he has the EXACT same clowns that created this in his cabinet.

That says more about the opposition than anything else. Carney isn't what's driving this turnaround. It's modern conservatism being on full display in the US that's giving people second thoughts about going down that road in Canada.

Abstract things like GDP per capita aren't all that meaningful when people view the country as being in a crisis created by a foreign power. Particularly given that what people actually experience in terms of income (median wages and salary) have risen just as fast in Canada as they have in the US over the last half decade.