[News] CalgaryNEXT Announcement. New arena details emerge.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

An amateur sports facility with no parking? Brilliant! Have fun hauling your gear in on the train folks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by RM14

The flames run their business like a not for profit in that the owners do not withdrawl, but reinvest earnings.

I don't think anyone buys a sports team solely for financial gain there are far better investments out there. Owners are seen by many as greedy and just looking to make a buck which really isn't fair. With 200M there are far better investments you can make than an arena you don't own

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

An amateur sports facility with no parking? Brilliant! Have fun hauling your gear in on the train folks.

The presentation they gave says the building will have 1500 parking spots, which should be enough for amateur sporting events.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

An amateur sports facility with no parking? Brilliant! Have fun hauling your gear in on the train folks.

Of all the issues that will likely arise with this project, I don't think this will be a big one to overcome.

There will likely be some parking with this project, just not enough to satisfy crowds of 20 - 30k for the Flames and Stamps. With public use, you're not looking at tens of thousands, you're looking at dozens to hundreds depending on what's going on.

So I'd imagine the limited parking that will be built will somehow be made available for fieldhouse users, whenever there isn't a hockey or Stamps game.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Cappy

That is most businesses.

Do you have any idea how much the Flames give to our community?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I've showed several times that it's very different than the Edmonton model in both delivery and in structure. I'm not sure how this guy is brilliant after saying that.

1) The Calgary arena deal is structured around an environmental liability.

2) The Calgary arena is city owned

3) The Calgary arena is a public facility

4) The Calgary arena is a multi-sport facility

The only thing the two have in common is a CRL and ticket tax. No question King waited until the Oilers deal got made before he finalized the financial proposal

I guess you didn't watch. The rest of that was addressed.
The 'like Edmonton' was specifically with regard to funding. A more or less even four way split between CRL, ticket tax, city and team.
Not saying I agree with him, cuz I don't. But the guy definitely knows his stuff.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Do you have any idea how much the Flames give to our community?

I'm going to guess significantly less than $450 million.

Are the Flames/you going to start leveraging charitable work?

[underGRADFlame]

If I was a rich-ish guy, I'd buy land close to the construction and build a private multilevel parking structure. Be a money maker for flames/stampedes/concerts.

But back to reality, as for parking, Marlins Park in Miami has 3 parkades on the corners of the stadium that are amazingly efficient getting in and out, I'd love to see something like that emulated here.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm going to guess significantly less than $450 million.

Are the Flames/you going to start leveraging charitable work?

So the Flames should donate a fieldhouse to the city?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

So the Flames should donate a fieldhouse to the city?

No, but they should have a plan to replace their own arena if they don't get everything they're asking for here.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The presentation they gave says the building will have 1500 parking spots, which should be enough for amateur sporting events.

Amateur sports don't shut down events just because there's a concert in town the same night.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by nik-

No, but they should have a plan to replace their own arena if they don't get everything they're asking for here.

OK. So not 450M

[dino7c]

The Flames could build the arena with their own money plus the ticket tax funds

The football stadium though doesn't make any sense with the Stampeders being the main tenant

Its certainly embarrassing that our city will have the worst building in both leagues though

[IamNotKenKing]

J

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm going to guess significantly less than $450 million.

Are the Flames/you going to start leveraging charitable work?

No I'm not going to do that, nor am I trying or meaning to.

This was a response to Cappy's response to RM14's post, wherein Cappy suggested the Flames reinvesting their money is akin to any other business.

The Flames' reinvestment is mainly in the community.

Think of Flames Centennial Arenas, Rotary Flames House (volunteer a cooking shift there. It's amazing),
Libin Cardiovascular Centre, Hotchkiss Brain Institute, Markin MacPhail Centre, Camp Kindle, never mind the millions of other donations made.

I'm at home on my phone, but I think you'd be surprised at how high the number is. It's well over a hundred million...and likely pushing 200, if not over.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Amateur sports don't shut down events just because there's a concert in town the same night.

Nobody said it would, but I don't see why parking couldn't be a priority for people who actually need it for sporting equipment vs those who are just attending a concert.

[SebC]

There are amateur sport facilities around McMahon too that lose parking when an event is in progress.

[bob-loblaw]

Originally Posted by Addick

Candlestick Park | Demolished | San Francisco
Riverfront Stadium | Demolished | Cincinnati
Three Rivers Stadium | Demolished | Pittsburgh
Veterans Stadium | Demolished | Philadelphia
Stadio delle Alpi | Demolished | Turin
Kingdome | Demolished | Seattle
Astrodome | Closed | Houston
RFK Stadium | Single Tenant Remaining | Washington

Not sure about Turin but these were also very old, yet pretty sure they were all newer than McMahon. I believe that in the NFL CBA the team's revenues from their stadium aren't part of the revenue sharing deal. Basically they can make as much money as possible from the stadium and the team could keep it. If adding a baseball field created unnecessary expenses or would decrease revenue somehow then they just went with football.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Nobody said it would, but I don't see why parking couldn't be a priority for people who actually need it for sporting equipment vs those who are just attending a concert.

Bad enough there's not enough room to park any concert goers but now your going to tell 4 people who spent $800.00 for a concert they can't park because there's a running track meet going on?

Faster this whole project gets destroyed the better, already the rest of Canada are laughing their asses off at the ugly shinguard looking thing with no parking.

Fire King and start over.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by T@T

already the rest of Canada are laughing their asses off at the ugly shinguard looking thing with no parking.

Sens fans in particular.

[#-3]

Here's what I take

Good.

Both Buildings attached - having worked for the Flames and knowing that a number of their employees bounce between difference facilities now, I understand that we will get improved services and quality from the front line employees, Ushers, Food Service, and Security.

Closed Roof Field, It's Alberta People. I've been to CFL games in -25, +30, Rain, Snow, Sleet, Wind, I really don't mind, but the reality is last week in the middle of August they probably lost +/-15% of their attendance due to weather.

Glass/Transparent roof - I loved the concepts being kicked around here, I just think its something that works for sports like football and soccer.

Direct access to mass transit a must.

The OK

No retractable roof, they seem like cool concepts but they just are not worth the money. If you are so concerned about enjoying a beer in the sun, go to the Saturday football game, and sit on your deck on Sunday.

Location, I was not an support of this WV/Sunalta area 5 years ago. So maybe you could call it gradual acceptance, or realizing something will eventually be done about Crowchild because they can't leave it like that forever. But this is really the only location they were ever going to end up at.

The Field house, you can tell this is the classic KK sales pitch. But I believe the Flames want it to be as good and the claim, I just don't think it will be 100% of what they invision.

I'm not all that likely to patronize a Soccer or Track event, but it would be great for Calgary if they are finally capable of putting on large scale events in these sports.

The Bad

The Funding model, I had hoped with the time they have put in to this already they would have a funding model that already had strong government support, but instead this was all about asking government to fund 80% of their building.

The Parking, 1500 is actually fine for this complex except for the 40%+ of evenings when there are events

The designs, I kind of knew this was the case but I am still a little let down they didn't have a contractor there with them saying "this is what I am going to build, and it will cost $890M"

What I think of it all.

They need to define a parking solution, for the patrons and for the surrounding communities.

They are probably 2 years behind where I thought they would be when they on this project when they said they were going to make an announcement. We are at least 7 years away from this opening.

I'm a little let down by how little the Flames are putting in, but not surprised and fully expect they will not end up putting any more in.