2014/2015 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[getbak]

If the Flames do go after Hamilton or any other RFA, I suspect it will be more like what Burke did with getting Kessel to Toronto. That was essentially a negotiated RFA signing.

Boston received a little more than they would have received for compensation on an offer sheet of the same value as the contract he signed, but less than what they would have received if Toronto had given him an overpriced offer sheet to ensure Boston wouldn't match it.

The problem with offer sheets is that you either give the player a reasonable salary, at which point, the other team will match the offer and you've wasted your time; or you give the player an unreasonable salary so the other team won't match it, and you end up overpaying both the player's salary and the team's compensation. By making the Kessel trade, Burke was able to get the player he wanted at a salary he felt was reasonable, and gave Boston a compensation he felt was reasonable.

[FBI]

When is the last time an offer sheet wasn't matched?

[JiriHrdina]

Chunks Penner.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Chunks Penner.

Just a small correcton, it's Pancakes Penner. As a man, you should never be able to live it down that you threw your back out......eating pancakes!

[FBI]

OK so that was the Burke situation right? How about before that? Any actual good player that wasn't matched?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by FBI

OK so that was the Burke situation right? How about before that? Any actual good player that wasn't matched?

History here, actually an interesting read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...d_offer_sheets

Last one before that was Chris Gratton.

[Yoho]

Wow, would have been nice to add Selanne in 92 if the Jets didn't match.

[Sylvanfan]

Wonder if the Oilers don't make a really aggressive play to go after a guy like Hamilton. Pittsburgh 1st plus their 1st next year. Does that at least get the Bruins attention?

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Wonder if the Oilers don't make a really aggressive play to go after a guy like Hamilton. Pittsburgh 1st plus their 1st next year. Does that at least get the Bruins attention?

No

[JiriHrdina]

Yeah I have a feeling the Bruins see Hamilton as the heir to Chara's throne. I doubt he's on the table for any trade really.

[FlamesAddiction]

I can see Hamilton getting an RFA offersheet from some team, but I don't think we are in a position to make that step really. Despite the recent dividends on the rebuild, it's important to remember that we were #16 of the 16 teams that made the playoffs. We are not looking at filling one or two small holes in the roster to be a legitimate contender. This team still has some serious rebuilding to do and giving away 1st round draft picks for the next few seasons shouldn't be in the cards. We are just as likely to be drafting in the top 15 next season as we are to be contending for the playoffs (Hamilton or no Hamilton), in my opinion.

I just don't see a continuation of the accelerated rate of progress. I expect a more organic rate of improvement over the next few seasons instead of the giant leap we made this season.

To make a long story short, RFA offersheets should not be made by fledgling teams.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I can see Hamilton getting an RFA offersheet from some team, but I don't think we are in a position to make that step really.

...

To make a long story short, RFA offersheets should not be made by fledgling teams.

Actually, I could reason out why Edmonton could / should make such an offer:

- They need a young, legit top pairing defenseman
- They have forward assets to deal for other holes (another dman, goalie)
- From their perspective, the perceived value of their upcoming first round picks are diminishing because the team will ostensibly get better

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Chunks Penner.

Speaking of the guy.... 33 year old next year, did not play last year, 6'4 and lots of pounds... RWer. Possible PTO? Could probably be paid in pancakes, and if all else fails, could run the teams twitter.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Actually, I could reason out why Edmonton could / should make such an offer:

- They need a young, legit top pairing defenseman
- They have forward assets to deal for other holes (another dman, goalie)
- From their perspective, the perceived value of their upcoming first round picks are diminishing because the team will ostensibly get better

I think it would have to be north of $9M and probably close to $10M for it to not get matched. Even at $7-8M, I could see it getting matched.

I can't see anything other then the 1st overall pick this year (McDavid) being traded for Hamilton.... can't see anyone on their roster + any other pick being of interest. Nurse, Draisitl and 2016th 1st overall and 2nd rounder this year maybe? Still somewhat battleship for rowboats.

If they are patient, I still think Tyson Barrie flies under the radar more and is easier to target.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Wonder if the Oilers don't make a really aggressive play to go after a guy like Hamilton. Pittsburgh 1st plus their 1st next year. Does that at least get the Bruins attention?

You have to use your own picks (and it would be next years picks) as compensation, that would mean the greasers would be giving up first overall again.

[GoJetsGo]

People seem to be forgetting the absolute mess the Oilers are in as far as their cap goes. No way they can fit Hamilton via offer sheet unless they move significant salary out. Doesn't seem the least bit feasible.

[3thirty]

Originally Posted by Jacks

You have to use your own picks (and it would be next years picks) as compensation, that would mean the greasers would be giving up first overall again.

I believe he meant trying to make a trade, not offer sheet.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Actually, I could reason out why Edmonton could / should make such an offer:

- They need a young, legit top pairing defenseman
- They have forward assets to deal for other holes (another dman, goalie)
- From their perspective, the perceived value of their upcoming first round picks are diminishing because the team will ostensibly get better

I'm not convinced that they are going to get appreciatively better over the next 3 seasons or so, where the draft picks would come from. They pretty much need to rebuild as soon as they draft McDavid. They burned too many of their current ELCs and their salary structure is hooped.

Yes, theoretically they could trade guys like Hall or Eberle to fill holes, but trading in the NHL is hard these, especially when trying to get equal quality back for big contracts. Plus it takes time to build chemistry after roster upheavals.

I do think that the Oilers are finally on the right long term track, but for the short term if I had to bet, I think they will be holding another draft party next season when they are bidding for Auston Matthews.

[Vinny01]

I think if Edlinton wanted Hamilton Boston would be asking for something like Yakupov/Drasaitl and Nurse in return. Potentially get a similar replacement for Hamilton and one of Wdmontons cheaper young forwards in return

[bysutter]

Jake Gardiner would thrive in our defensive system.