CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Just going to point out that starseed is too smart, he wouldn't just forget to consider the abilities of the mafia.

I have the guardians invite, the message says it's is a kill (like woods) that can not be used on guardians. Will let it expire.

Might be my only post for today and tomorrow.

That's all you have to say on it? Way to go on the full disclosure! You need to tell us the tone, if it said anything else.... you b!tch about people not telling the truth? Well withholding information is similar. And it's nice of you to ignore it without talking to the rest of the town about it. I thought it was a thing that we had to discuss as a team?

Originally Posted by Drury18

Okay, these guardians invites have to be targeted. Someone's obviously afraid and wants to get rid of those leading the town to the scum. I've been on GGG's case since the start and so I'm targeted and told to lay of GGG. Oiling_Roachman hasn't exactly been the #1 supporter of GGG or starseed and he's targeted after me and told he can have a power but can't blow the head off GGG or starseed.

Does this really seem like it's on the up and up here? Recruit and give you a "power" but hey, you better pull a full 180 on your stance. Because that doesn't draw any attention to yourself.

We need to lynch starseed. He had the first invite, if it's like GP_Matt, when he's gone, these invites are gone.

Maybe if Oling informed us of what the rest of his message said, we would know a little more about the guardians?
Why do we need to stop the invites? Maybe the more invites that get shared, we can get more information? We don't have to accept them. Why are you so adamant about stopping this? Because someone is targeting you? Dude didn't accept the invite, so why can't you chill out? Selfishness screams mafia to me.

[mrkajz44]

So with Timbo's response, has he become hmm v2? Just becomes a dissenting townie as soon as some suspicion comes into him? I don't think so, but the similarities are there.

Drury, I think your analysis is fairly sound that the Eternals invites are no longer going out with the death of Matt, and the same will likely occur with starseed. However, do you think starseed is mafia? We have to make sure we are voting to lynch mafia, not someone who you might think is town just to get rid of the Guardians thing (or any other reason for that matter, such as the MOT reveal)

[Timbo]

GGG you must be town. With the fervor you are going after me you would not do so if you were scum. It would be way to obvious. What I wonder is why you have not voted for me? Are you trying distance yourself or have plausible deniability? No, It has gone past that stage.

So again I lean towards you as townie.

So why are you after me?
1. You don’t like that I call myself townie and a hunter of scum. You think I am hiding under the guise and I am over acting my part. Fair enough plausible but pretty ballsy from me to do so and have what happened with formulate and I.
2. You have a problem on how I entered the Twilight thread. Frankly for the life of me I cannot come up with a reason why other than you did not like that I made my title. Is that it and is that all?
3. You don’t like that I am passionate about my innocence. I always get indignant when falsely accused. So fair enough. I hoped that you saw the errors you have made in your detective work. Nope I guess not , you were just looking for what I gave you.

With those questions you have I can see why you got your gander up.(sort of) But this is a path towards fail.
I do question your affiliation with the Guardians though. You and starseed seem very affiliated and aligned. Is that just because of the Guardian association? Or have your win conditions changed? With two Guardians leading the charge against me I have to question this.


I am after starseed that is no secret. I think he has caused to much carnage. I feel he is trying to confuse everyone with all the different paths he has presented to us. Even when he was close to hammer he was posting all sorts of garbage and an ungodly amount of posts, which I feel, was designed to overwhelm and confuse. .

I think the mafia is laughing like hyenas in their forum, because you are after me.

I also think if your campaign against me becomes successful, and with the possibility Of you being un-lynchable you would be a night kill target. But maybe not., you are much more valuable to scum because of your false assumptions and damage you are causing. Really.

You are getting yourself aligned with bad decisions making, like those in the MOT pointing fingers at Devo22 , Delgar , Yourself and then ultimately you on me.

You stated you joined the Guardians because you received extra powers that would help the town. Again fair enough.

But did you agree to give one of the factions a possible win condition by skewing the number in Guardian favor?
I am quite positive that you are town, so prove you do not have a hidden win objective by joining the ousting of starseed. I was sure we were all in agreement to make the factions even. Has that changed?
Nip this in the bud.
Chop the head off the Turkey(starseed) and we can get to the business of eliminating more scum.
Are you so sure of starseed? It might be he is setting you up?
Give me reasons why I should believe starseed. I’m reasonable and will consider valid and well thought out ideas.

With only three votes against me I have no fears about lynching.I made my large post during a slow time so people could read and reflect. I want players to do this.
It is lobbying plain and simple.

Take this post as an impassioned plea to get you on the right path. I’m giving you a lot of leeway here. All I ask is for you to really think about this.

Now I really have to go I’m getting the stink eye from my wife.

[GGG]

Lets talk win conditions for.a minute.

We know that gp_matt alignment did not change.
therefore gp Matt would still win when the town won
Maz posted no ones a llignment would be explicitly false.on flip. This means there could be info missing but he was still part of the light.

If matt was the eternal recruiter, why would he as town send out powers that dont work. This does not make sense.

Its far more likely that the mafia sent out the eternal invites with fake powers.

Looking at starseed and the guardians it doesnt make sense that he is doing the invites if you believe he is an MOT. Because if he is the guardian leader then that would mean the other MOT should be the eternal leader to make any kind of sense. And we know that gp-matt is not the other mot unless you believe he can post from the dead.
Also if we look at a guardian leader win condition what would it look like? When the majority is recruited the game ends? This would conflict with the towns win condition of living until all threats to the town have been eliminated. You could have maybe a mass win condition change at some point for all members but that would be ####### modding.

All of the speculation on how the guardians and eternals work is just trying to figure out the game set up. Instead we should focus on our primary goal and lynch scum.

[GGG]

@Timbo

I see nothing in your page long post that is new or adds to your defense. It essentially boils down to please don't vote for me.

So looking at the five stages go grief we have had
Denial.
Anger
Bargaining

I assume depression an acceptance are next.

I notice you are after Starseed because he caused chaos and not because you believe he is mafia. This is poor play.

I haven't voted for you yet because at the start of today I said I would let wood and ECF control my vote so it wasn't tainted with distrust. ECF has already voted for you and if wood decides my logic is sound and chooses to vote for you my vote will quickly follow.

That's pretty much all I am going to say on this until others can evaluate your behaviour and decide how to vote.

unvote

Vote: Timbo

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Timbo

GGG you must be town. With the fervor you are going after me you would not do so if you were scum. It would be way to obvious. What I wonder is why you have not voted for me? Are you trying distance yourself or have plausible deniability? No, It has gone past that stage.

So again I lean towards you as townie.

So why are you after me?
1. You don’t like that I call myself townie and a hunter of scum. You think I am hiding under the guise and I am over acting my part. Fair enough plausible but pretty ballsy from me to do so and have what happened with formulate and I.
2. You have a problem on how I entered the Twilight thread. Frankly for the life of me I cannot come up with a reason why other than you did not like that I made my title. Is that it and is that all?
3. You don’t like that I am passionate about my innocence. I always get indignant when falsely accused. So fair enough. I hoped that you saw the errors you have made in your detective work. Nope I guess not , you were just looking for what I gave you.

With those questions you have I can see why you got your gander up.(sort of) But this is a path towards fail.
I do question your affiliation with the Guardians though. You and starseed seem very affiliated and aligned. Is that just because of the Guardian association? Or have your win conditions changed? With two Guardians leading the charge against me I have to question this.


I am after starseed that is no secret. I think he has caused to much carnage. I feel he is trying to confuse everyone with all the different paths he has presented to us. Even when he was close to hammer he was posting all sorts of garbage and an ungodly amount of posts, which I feel, was designed to overwhelm and confuse. .

I think the mafia is laughing like hyenas in their forum, because you are after me.

I also think if your campaign against me becomes successful, and with the possibility Of you being un-lynchable you would be a night kill target. But maybe not., you are much more valuable to scum because of your false assumptions and damage you are causing. Really.

You are getting yourself aligned with bad decisions making, like those in the MOT pointing fingers at Devo22 , Delgar , Yourself and then ultimately you on me.

You stated you joined the Guardians because you received extra powers that would help the town. Again fair enough.

But did you agree to give one of the factions a possible win condition by skewing the number in Guardian favor?
I am quite positive that you are town, so prove you do not have a hidden win objective by joining the ousting of starseed. I was sure we were all in agreement to make the factions even. Has that changed?
Nip this in the bud.
Chop the head off the Turkey(starseed) and we can get to the business of eliminating more scum.
Are you so sure of starseed? It might be he is setting you up?
Give me reasons why I should believe starseed. I’m reasonable and will consider valid and well thought out ideas.

With only three votes against me I have no fears about lynching.I made my large post during a slow time so people could read and reflect. I want players to do this.
It is lobbying plain and simple.

Take this post as an impassioned plea to get you on the right path. I’m giving you a lot of leeway here. All I ask is for you to really think about this.

Now I really have to go I’m getting the stink eye from my wife.

Why do we want factions to be even?

Seriously, I have just been ignoring that stuff as it is adding confusion.

[Rathji]

unvote


Timbo has gone off the deep end here and I am going to review some stuff on my drive back from dinner.

Well try to post when I get home, but will see how tired I am.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

That's all you have to say on it? Way to go on the full disclosure!

Sorry, it was a quick message before I left but it encompassed everything. There was nothing else to disclose, unless you wanted to hear about how the Guardians R&D want me to try out their new product (the kill).

Originally Posted by Puxlut

You need to tell us the tone, if it said anything else.... you b!tch about people not telling the truth? Well withholding information is similar.

The tone was playful and jokingly, like the inviter knew he is just causing problems by sending out the invites.

Originally Posted by Puxlut

And it's nice of you to ignore it without talking to the rest of the town about it. I thought it was a thing that we had to discuss as a team?

We've had this discussion multiple times. We've come to the seemingly same conclusion each time to ignore the invites. Drury18 let the last invite expire. As far as I know, no one took issue to it and his post was thanked by multiple people. If you want to reopen the discussion on the Guardian invites, I'll be glad to take your input but as far as I could tell letting the vote expire is what we decided as a team. Did you disagree with this before?

It's also interesting to me that you've made it known how you feel about my gameplay and now accuse me of withholding information yet still removed your vote on me for an easier target to get lynched today. Attempt to save starseed?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Timbo hasn't done himself any favours with his 'defense' but remember it takes only 6 votes to deadline lynch, and we likely have 5ish mafia members. It is at this point that deadline lynches favour the mafia. East Coast Flame, I believe, was the first vote for Timbo so we know it wasn't a mafia plan but if Timbo is town they wont have a problem jumping on board and lynching him either.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Timbo hasn't done himself any favours with his 'defense' but remember it takes only 6 votes to deadline lynch, and we likely have 5ish mafia members. It is at this point that deadline lynches favour the mafia. East Coast Flame, I believe, was the first vote for Timbo so we know it wasn't a mafia plan but if Timbo is town they wont have a problem jumping on board and lynching him either.

Maybe I missed it, but how has ECF been confirmed town?

He made a claim and used an ability which didn't do anything. That confirms pretty much nothing.

[Rathji]

When Is deadline?

[Timbo]

Only the dead so far have been confirmed town IMO.
@Rathji two factions opposed to each other divide the town keeping them even and stopping in their tracks prevents a divide and conquer attack.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Only the dead so far have been confirmed town IMO.
@Rathji two factions opposed to each other divide the town keeping them even and stopping in their tracks prevents a divide and conquer attack.

I am willing to consider Wood to be town. It isn't 100%, but the ability he used is most often a town ability and he used it in a way that a townie would. ECF hasn't done anything close to those things yet. The fact that his ability he used to benefit the town didn't do anything, further reduces the likelihood that he is town.

So we can't start figuring out mafia, so instead we are killing people for something which obviously has no relation to their town/mafia status.

Seems like a pretty piss poor way of doing things.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Maybe I missed it, but how has ECF been confirmed town?

He made a claim and used an ability which didn't do anything. That confirms pretty much nothing.

The second piece of the town confirmation is my guardian tracking skill. So it depends on your trust level for me. I was told ECF visited Myself and one other person. It was very consistent with poisoning me and protecting the other. And the other was someone we should have been protecting.

Also deadline is Tuesday at 10 so we should get close to lynch tonight if possible.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by GGG

The second piece of the town confirmation is my guardian tracking skill. So it depends on your trust level for me. I was told ECF visited Myself and one other person. It was very consistent with poisoning me and protecting the other. And the other was someone we should have been protecting.

Also deadline is Tuesday at 10 so we should get close to lynch tonight if possible.

So, not at all confirmed.

Roger.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Rathji

So, not at all confirmed.

Roger.

Correct not confirmed but several independent pieces of evidence lend credibility to ECF being town.

Third piece of info is Delgar, with bodyguard power, died last night. So speculation is that it was used to protect ECF.

Fourth no push or even bread crumbs against ECF that he lying. I would expect something (not a reveal) from the real Doc.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by GGG

Correct not confirmed but several independent pieces of evidence lend credibility to ECF being town.

Third piece of info is Delgar, with bodyguard power, died last night. So speculation is that it was used to protect ECF.

Fourth no push or even bread crumbs against ECF that he lying. I would expect something (not a reveal) from the real Doc.

Delgar dying to protect him means nothing, as Delgar had zero info other than his claim to go on.

The fact that you disregard the huge holes in the logic that you are posting as evidence is extremely concerning. There are 2 likely possible reasons for this:

1) you are trying to convince us of something you don't think is true, and hope we don't see the holes.

2) you don't see the holes in the logic you are posting, which makes me question why anyone would be going along with your suggestions at this point in the game.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Delgar dying to protect him means nothing, as Delgar had zero info other than his claim to go on.

The fact that you disregard the huge holes in the logic that you are posting as evidence is extremely concerning. There are 2 likely possible reasons for this:

1) you are trying to convince us of something you don't think is true, and hope we don't see the holes.

2) you don't see the holes in the logic you are posting, which makes me question why anyone would be going along with your suggestions at this point in the game.

For me I have what I consider solid proof. My tracking results on ECF. You need to assess my trustworthyness in reporting them whereas I do not. Based on my tracking and who they were on I think it adds about 90% certainty that he is town. This combined with the other pieces of evidence puts me to the 99% town position. Of all people in this game ECF is the most town for me followed by wood as the dayvig. (Would be close to #######ly to have a dayvig scum).

Delgar dying limits there to being two possibilities. Mob/sk killed Delgar, or mob/sk tried to kill ECF. So it doesn't mean nothing. Mafia tring to kill ECF makes sense if ECF is the doctor. Alternatively killing delgar, while he is a good player, he was also under townie suspicion at the time he was killed. On balance this seems less likely.

Where do you see ECF in the spectrum of known town, likely town, leaning town neutral etc.?