Edmonton is No Good Episode 4: New Rink, Same Stink

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by McClintock

Interesting analysis. 13 mill would be 17.3% of the cap. Right in line with the aforementioned players.

Top players in general were taking a higher % of the cap in the first few years after the lockout Iginlas 7 million was probably 17%. Richards and Lecavalier were cap max at $7.8.

Since then we'very seen a decline in % of the cap going to the leagues best.

McDavid will be bucking the trend if he asks for nearly the max.

Anyway we'll have a clearer picture after the season. If Crosby wins the Art Ross and Hart it's a totally different conversation than if McDavid does.

[Erick Estrada]

McDavid is the only reason the Oilers aren't last overall in the standings. His agent is going to push for a record deal.

[McClintock]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Top players in general were taking a higher % of the cap in the first few years after the lockout Iginlas 7 million was probably 17%. Richards and Lecavalier were cap max at $7.8.

Since then we'very seen a decline in % of the cap going to the leagues best.

McDavid will be bucking the trend if he asks for nearly the max.

Anyway we'll have a clearer picture after the season. If Crosby wins the Art Ross and Hart it's a totally different conversation than if McDavid does.

At the rate Crosby is going, I wouldnt be surprised if he took the Hart, Ross and Rocket

[devo22]

McDavid winning or not winning awards this season ultimately won't matter a lot when it comes to his second contract. He'd be stupid not to wait until the end of 2017-18.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by McClintock

At the rate Crosby is going, I wouldnt be surprised if he took the Hart, Ross and Rocket

Rocket and Hart yes but I think McDavid has the Art Ross (without injury).

[Major Major]

You can quote precedent and look at trends all you want, but there is only 1 question. Does team McDavid want a max style contract? If he wants it, he gets it. The Oilers have nothing, yes nothing, in terms of a bargaining position. So what does Connor want? Does he love the city? How many dollars is willing to surrender in order to win? If he looks the team up and down and feels it's not built to win regardless, maybe he's less motivated to give money up in order to continue to lose. If McDavid and his agent have a high number in mind, and the Oilers open at around 10 or 10.5, there is nothing stopping them from saying, respectfully, we are going to play the season and reopen negotiations with you on July 2 after Connor has looked at his offer sheets. Maybe you think Flames fans are just imagining their own dream situation here, or maybe we're asking, Do Connor and his agent like money?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Major Major

You can quote precedent and look at trends all you want, but there is only 1 question. Does team McDavid want a max style contract? If he wants it, he gets it. The Oilers have nothing, yes nothing, in terms of a bargaining position. So what does Connor want? Does he love the city? How many dollars is willing to surrender in order to win? If he looks the team up and down and feels it's not built to win regardless, maybe he's less motivated to give money up in order to continue to lose. If McDavid and his agent have a high number in mind, and the Oilers open at around 10 or 10.5, there is nothing stopping them from saying, respectfully, we are going to play the season and reopen negotiations with you on July 2 after Connor has looked at his offer sheets. Maybe you think Flames fans are just imagining their own dream situation here, or maybe we're asking, Do Connor and his agent like money?

Well...I hate to be the Debbie Downer here, but this sentence is not strictly correct.

At the moment you are right, the Oilers have no bargaining position, that team is McDavid, Talbot and a random hodge-podge of scrubs.

However, they could acquire a bargaining position by doing the same thing that they have proven to excel at: Losing and drafting wunderkinder.

They could have newer, shinier toys by the time that contract has to be signed that make McDavid....less indispensable.

But still suck.

[Locke]

Sure it was Connor. This loosely translates to:

"Did I make myself look like a whiny foolish baby? Totes jokes mcgoats! Super Serious Swearsies!"

With a couple of days passing since Connor McDavid called out Flyers defenceman Brandon Manning, the Oilers captain jokes that his uncharacteristic outburst was just meant to "keep the media on their toes".

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/mcdavid-...r-toes~1014395

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I do think the Oilers find a way to keep Draisaitl and McDavid but it likely results in a classic Chiarelli like deal where Nuge gets traded for peanuts

Peanuts would be overpayment on Nuge. He is awful, limited offensive upside, average at best in his own end. He is a bigger version of Sam Gagner with a worse contract.

Sam Gagner had 38 points in 48 games in his 23 year old season and 37 points in 67 games in his 24 year old year.

Nuge had 34 points in 55 games as a 22 year old and has 14 points in 30 games as a 23 year old.

His general suckiness and his contract should make him untradeable.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Rocket and Hart yes but I think McDavid has the Art Ross (without injury).

Crosby's on pace for more points even though he missed six games. I think it will be a really close race.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

Crosby's on pace for more points even though he missed six games. I think it will be a really close race.

No doubt. Crosby has 7 less points in 8 less games.

McDavid has 52 games left at 1.27 pts/gm=66 more points, so 104 total

Crosby has 54 more games left at 1.41 pts/gm=76 more points, so 107 total

[868904]

Oilers don't believe in bridge contracts or earning things anyways. They would make McDavid the highest paid player in the league and trumpet that as a win.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

I have nothing to add except for I liked the Nenshi avatar.

Why not both?

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by Locke

Sure it was Connor. This loosely translates to:

"Did I make myself look like a whiny foolish baby? Totes jokes mcgoats! Super Serious Swearsies!"

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/mcdavid-...r-toes~1014395

"McDavid on outburst: "Just trying to keep the media on their toes"

Umm... Connor McJesus: Your team has 7 wins in the last 22 games. Maybe you should be focusing on getting some W's instead of toying with the media...

Good to know he has his priorities straight.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Peanuts would be overpayment on Nuge. He is awful, limited offensive upside, average at best in his own end. He is a bigger version of Sam Gagner with a worse contract.

Sam Gagner had 38 points in 48 games in his 23 year old season and 37 points in 67 games in his 24 year old year.

Nuge had 34 points in 55 games as a 22 year old and has 14 points in 30 games as a 23 year old.

His general suckiness and his contract should make him untradeable.

Disagree. He's not the player he was hyped up to be in draft year, but he would flourish on a good hockey team, imo.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

This post doesn't make any sense. Setting himself for failure? WTF.

If the agent isn't using all his leverage to ask for as much as he can, the agent is not doing his job.

With the credentials his client has, the agency should absolutely be seeking the league max. Centerman, captain, Art Ross material, 20 years old.

You really think they can build a winning team with McDavid making $15 million? Why didn't Crosby ask for the max? Why hasn't pretty much every great player in the history of the NHL during a cap era ask for the max?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by 868904

Oilers don't believe in bridge contracts or earning things anyways. They would make McDavid the highest paid player in the league and trumpet that as a win.

It's true...

They were trumpeting about landing Lucic as if it were a success, and a sign of Edmonton becoming this desirable destination when in reality they probably paid even above UFA market value on that contract to get him to bite. There's absolutely nothing rosy about that deal especially now after seeing him in year 1...of 7... terribad.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Peanuts would be overpayment on Nuge. He is awful, limited offensive upside, average at best in his own end. He is a bigger version of Sam Gagner with a worse contract.

Sam Gagner had 38 points in 48 games in his 23 year old season and 37 points in 67 games in his 24 year old year.

Nuge had 34 points in 55 games as a 22 year old and has 14 points in 30 games as a 23 year old.

His general suckiness and his contract should make him untradeable.

I thought he was worth Seth Jones.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Disagree. He's not the player he was hyped up to be in draft year, but he would flourish on a good hockey team, imo.

What is flourish, maybe get 50 points in a good year? He has never demonstrated any real offensive ability. He is too slow for his slight stature and does not do much defensively. 6 million dollars for what he offers is a gross overpayment.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It's true...

They were trumpeting about landing Lucic as if it were a success, and a sign of Edmonton becoming this desirable destination when in reality they probably paid even above UFA market value on that contract to get him to bite. There's absolutely nothing rosy about that deal especially now after seeing him in year 1...of 7... terribad.

And I'm not sure what anyone is expecting. He's a 55 point guy. He's on pace for 22 goals and 57 points...

That contract was Chiarelli's desperation