I just find it ironic that we traded Baertschi for a 2nd and it was received favorably
Only after it was pretty clear Baertschi
1) Couldn't crack Hartley's lineup
2) Wanted to be moved.
A smidge early for that with Jankowski don't ya think? He hasn't even signed a pro contract yet, and neither has Gillies and they both came in there together.
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1) Couldn't crack Hartley's lineup
2) Wanted to be moved.
A smidge early for that with Jankowski don't ya think? He hasn't even signed a pro contract yet, and neither has Gillies and they both came in there together.
Did you read the whole sentence or just cherry pick the part you wanted to make an argument against?
It's all about asset management. The Flames decided Baertschi was unlikely to be a part of the future core so they moved him. If they have similar feelings about Jankowski (Who is 1/2 of the prospect Sven was IMO) they should do the same.
The thing is by the time Janko is ready, the Flames will be much further ahead when he was drafted. Monahan is already playing like 1C, Backs is a good 2C and we have Bennett coming. So my expectations will be much lower, he will need to develop and become a part of the solution. He won't have to carry the load here. Which is fine.
I certainly am not ready to give up on him, but he has to show considerable improvement next season to warrant a contract in my opinion.
5 goals in his Junior year is not a very good result.
I never figured out exactly what Feaster's logic was in going off the board with Jankowski. Not only that, but Feaster adamantly believed he would be the best player drafted that year.
He seems like a good sized player and a fringe NHLer but Feaster thought he was a superstar. In 10 years, Feaster predicted, “Jankowski will be viewed as the best player in the 2012 draft,”
When it comes to Jankowski's goals, how much can be attributed to his shoulder injury? From comments the coach made it sounds like he was playing with discomfort after returning to the lineup. Such an injury can really impact the quality of your shot.
I never figured out exactly what Feaster's logic was in going off the board with Jankowski.
I kind of get it. Gotta remember at that point his mandate was still "win now" and #1 centers just aren't to be had in free agency and tend to cost a ton in trade (if they're can be had at all). The Flames didn't like anyone left at their draft position and they had Sven/Brodie and not much else in the futures cupboard but they saw this tall kid with a projectable body and soft hands who plays center... If you dream on him you can see the Joe Thornton package. So he took a shot at getting someone who if it all came together could be a star.
I thought it was a risky but defensible move at the time. In retrospect we should have taken Maata but hindsight as they say is 20-20.
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I never figured out exactly what Feaster's logic was in going off the board with Jankowski. Not only that, but Feaster adamantly believed he would be the best player drafted that year.
He seems like a good sized player and a fringe NHLer but Feaster thought he was a superstar. In 10 years, Feaster predicted, “Jankowski will be viewed as the best player in the 2012 draft,”
Well, it wasn't so much Feaster as it was Weisbrod, although, the scouts all appeared to agree with him (also remember that Craig Button also had him ranked as a mid-first rounder, and the Button brothers apparently don't talk about prospects).
However, the logic as it was explained by Feaster is that they were looking for a top end player, a potential legitimate #1 centre (something Calgary hadn't had in nearly 20 years).
Although they knew that there were other prospects in that range with a higher low-end, they believed that Jankowski's high-end potential was significantly higher than the other players who were available and worth taking the risk that he'd bust out for the chance to have him if he developed as they hoped he would.
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Did you read the whole sentence or just cherry pick the part you wanted to make an argument against?
It's all about asset management. The Flames decided Baertschi was unlikely to be a part of the future core so they moved him. If they have similar feelings about Jankowski (Who is 1/2 of the prospect Sven was IMO) they should do the same.
I don't see how Jankowski is half the prospect Baertschi was.
Baertschi as a prospect was a cherry-picking CHL star who put up lots of points but never learned to backcheck. In the scouting profiles (that I trust) he was touted as a 'top 6 forward' in his draft year, and only looked like a serious 1st line talent the following year when he put up crazy numbers on a stacked Portland team. Now that he's a pro and has been taught NHL systems and how to backcheck he seems to have lost his scoring mojo. If he ever gets it back I think he could be a decent 2nd liner, but it wasn't looking like it was going to happen in Calgary. His waiver status compounded the situation and that's why his value was as low as a 2nd round pick.
Jankowski as a prospect was always touted as a longterm project with a very high ceiling. 4-5 years down the pipeline, we were told then – and it's only been 3 years (how quickly we forget). He's shown clear progression through his college career and has become a rock solid 2-way player, playing against grown men in the NCAA. He's learned the game the right way (on both sides of the puck) and has done all this despite having being thrown in at the deep end as a young freshman when he maybe should have gone to the USHL. He's a player trending in the right direction and he still has at least a year or 2 to go before he's developed enough to step into an NHL game. In those 2 years, as he continues to fill out and continues to improve his game, he could still reach that high ceiling: 6'4" 210lb playmaking centre with exceptionally high hockey IQ.
Cashing out on Jankowksi now, when he's only half way through his developmental curve and still not physically mature, does not seem like good logic to me. The Flames aren't in any danger of losing his rights just yet so his value isn't slipping like Baertschi's was due to waiver status. Maybe Treliving and Burke see it differently, but at this stage I still see Jankowski as a serious 1st round prospect developing as he was projected to.
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Not dissing Janko but where did the exceptionally high hockey IQ come from?
for example:
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Fred Poulin of the Hockey Writers (rank 42nd) had this to say:
“A smooth skater with a great on-ice vision, Jankowski is a very creative player that can score goals and distribute the puck to his line-mates. The skilled pivot is very patient with the puck and his high hockey sense helps him create offense for his team-mates. ”
Kirk Luedeke of the New England Hockey Jounal said
“The book on Jankowski is that he’s a point-producing machine for little Stanstead College, a Quebec boarding school, thanks to his high-end hockey sense and rapidly developing skill set. A rangy skater with a long, smooth stride and sublime on-ice vision, Jankowski turned heads in March at the Spring Beantown Classic showcase in Marlboro, Mass.”
Not dissing Janko but where did the exceptionally high hockey IQ come from?
Other than pretty much every scouting report, you can see it in the highlight packages even. He makes many outstanding plays and passes, plus with word of him being a good defensive player also adds to that because top defensive players are who they are because they think the game better than others.
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If Jankowski was drafted in the seventh round there wouldn't be 100 posts on this thread and if Treliving managed to trade him for a second we'd all be estatic.
He's not a horrible prospect, but at this point he's been pretty marginal when compared to the value of a second round pick. I'd rather he be some young stud with elite potential too, but the kool-aid has gotten a bit sour as time has gone by.
If Jankowski was drafted in the seventh round there wouldn't be 100 posts on this thread and if Treliving managed to trade him for a second we'd all be estatic.
He's not a horrible prospect, but at this point he's been pretty marginal when compared to the value of a second round pick. I'd rather he be some young stud with elite potential too, but the kool-aid has gotten a bit sour as time has gone by.
I disagree. I see no rush in unloading him. Sign him to his entry level, let him ripen on the vine in the new pacific division close to home. We don't have a contract crunch or a cap crunch.
Jankowski fits a need for size and fits the age group of the team. Superstars stand out in college hockey, but beyond that I think it's pretty hard to tell Josh Jooris from the next guy down there.
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I disagree. I see no rush in unloading him. Sign him to his entry level, let him ripen on the vine in the new pacific division close to home. We don't have a contract crunch or a cap crunch.
Jankowski fits a need for size and fits the age group of the team. Superstars stand out in college hockey, but beyond that I think it's pretty hard to tell Josh Jooris from the next guy down there.
Is Jankowski a bust as a first round draft pick? I can not see how anyone could argue he is not a bust. That of course is based on projections of him becoming the best player out of that draft!
A few years back I would of said, and still do say Backlund was a bust too. He seriously is a bust.
Take that all with a grain of salt. Just cause a player does not live up to their potential does not mean they can not become a very good player or at least serviceable player. I mean Backlund as a 3rd line centre is not what we drafted him to be, but he is damn good at that.
Jankowski on the third line in a few years maybe great in a shut down role with some skill from time to time.
I guess the word "Bust" needs to be defined more! Bust should be a guy who never has an NHL career.
The draft is a crap shoot, more picks you have the better. At 18 one player may look great, but at 21 he does not continue to develop like the guys that were behind him in his draft year. Like Shea Weber versus Dion Phaneuf. Weber is the way better Dman select later than Phaneuf. It happens!
I just thank god Sutter no longer drafts us players. Great coach, horrible at evaluating talent.
