And if anyone can remember what led to the conclusive determination that plane was forced to ground by passengers, I'd like to be reminded.
I recall there being reports of passengers ... errr ... I mean actors calling their loved ones saying their plane was hijacked only to be told about the other events of the day. These passengers later told their loved ones they were going to try and take back the plane.
I also seem to recall one of the terrorists errr ummm ... special forces pilots (?) accidentally left his in cockpit mic on and there was something heard through the mic which led investigators ... I mean cover up specialists to conclude a struggle was taking place.
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I guess there's a few things that clearly were not obvious in my post, but I'm busy at work today so I guess that's why.
1: 3 - 4 million barrles of oil is the potential per day output (as an estimate)
2: By securing, I don't necessarily mean the oil ends up in the Gulf refinaries. Just that there's 3 - 4 million barrels that won't be shut in from the world supply by a dictator trying to make an energy crisis worse - should said dictator choose to do so.
3: Is it strange that the US decided to invade Iraq rather than North Korea in the "Axis of Evil"? Someone remind me what NK has for oil reserves?
A real good friend of mine is all for the conspiracy theory. His fascination for Loose Change and this guy named William Rodriguez is starting to irritate me.
I don't believe the public has been told the whole truth. I think people have been trying to cover up mistakes that were made and could have possibly stoped what happened. And I think there are some questionable things that happened after 9/11. However, when you use half a brain and try to account for how many people would have to be quieted in order to demolish all 3 buildings you can't really believe its possible that they were proffesionialy demolished.
The only conspiracy theory that would make any sense to me is a very simple one. K.I.S.S philosphy at its finest. Some weirdo explained it to me, and its the one that made most sense to me, if I were to believe a conspiracy theory.
Bush people(doesn't even have to be Bush, could be NWO or whoever the hell you want) talk to Bin Laden (Al Quadi, whatever terrorist organization) people. We need a terrorist attack, we don't need to know how, we just need it to happen. Tell us what threats we need to over look and get it done. Very simple, very little people would know about it.
It'd be the only thing that makes sense to me. Bush gets his war on terror, finishes the war his daddy started.. Bin Laden looks like a hero to the terrorists. And it'd explain why the US turned their sites on Hussein so fast and why to this day Bin Laden hasn't been caught. I still don't get how Bin Laden hasn't been caught. They can find Hussein relatively fast, but not Bin Laden after all these years?
I don't think thats what happened, but I think conspiracty theorists over complicate things. In order for a conspiracy to work, less people knowing about it is best.
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A real good friend of mine is all for the conspiracy theory. His fascination for Loose Change and this guy named William Rodriguez is starting to irritate me.
I don't believe the public has been told the whole truth. I think people have been trying to cover up mistakes that were made and could have possibly stoped what happened. And I think there are some questionable things that happened after 9/11. However, when you use half a brain and try to account for how many people would have to be quieted in order to demolish all 3 buildings you can't really believe its possible that they were proffesionialy demolished.
The only conspiracy theory that would make any sense to me is a very simple one. K.I.S.S philosphy at its finest. Some weirdo explained it to me, and its the one that made most sense to me, if I were to believe a conspiracy theory.
Bush people(doesn't even have to be Bush, could be NWO or whoever the hell you want) talk to Bin Laden (Al Quadi, whatever terrorist organization) people. We need a terrorist attack, we don't need to know how, we just need it to happen. Tell us what threats we need to over look and get it done. Very simple, very little people would know about it.
It'd be the only thing that makes sense to me. Bush gets his war on terror, finishes the war his daddy started.. Bin Laden looks like a hero to the terrorists. And it'd explain why the US turned their sites on Hussein so fast and why to this day Bin Laden hasn't been caught. I still don't get how Bin Laden hasn't been caught. They can find Hussein relatively fast, but not Bin Laden after all these years?
I don't think thats what happened, but I think conspiracty theorists over complicate things. In order for a conspiracy to work, less people knowing about it is best.
Eric Rudolph hid from the US government in the mountains of NC for 7 full years, and he had a little help from some local yahoo's, his family and a bunch of dumpsters.
Bin Laden is in a foreign country, or two at different times, has a support network in the thousands and many millions of dollars. He can stay hidden as long as he likes.
A real good friend of mine is all for the conspiracy theory. His fascination for Loose Change and this guy named William Rodriguez is starting to irritate me.
I don't believe the public has been told the whole truth. I think people have been trying to cover up mistakes that were made and could have possibly stoped what happened. And I think there are some questionable things that happened after 9/11. However, when you use half a brain and try to account for how many people would have to be quieted in order to demolish all 3 buildings you can't really believe its possible that they were proffesionialy demolished.
The only conspiracy theory that would make any sense to me is a very simple one. K.I.S.S philosphy at its finest. Some weirdo explained it to me, and its the one that made most sense to me, if I were to believe a conspiracy theory.
Bush people(doesn't even have to be Bush, could be NWO or whoever the hell you want) talk to Bin Laden (Al Quadi, whatever terrorist organization) people. We need a terrorist attack, we don't need to know how, we just need it to happen. Tell us what threats we need to over look and get it done. Very simple, very little people would know about it.
It'd be the only thing that makes sense to me. Bush gets his war on terror, finishes the war his daddy started.. Bin Laden looks like a hero to the terrorists. And it'd explain why the US turned their sites on Hussein so fast and why to this day Bin Laden hasn't been caught. I still don't get how Bin Laden hasn't been caught. They can find Hussein relatively fast, but not Bin Laden after all these years?
I don't think thats what happened, but I think conspiracty theorists over complicate things. In order for a conspiracy to work, less people knowing about it is best.
I don't think that makes much sense for Bush to orchestrate with Bin Laden.
Its dealing with an uncontrollable element. Bin Laden wouldn't need his terrorist attack. He'd merely have to play a tape of the conversation which would bring down a government. Bin Laden is an even bigger hero to his people for destroying the U.S. government on a global scale., and doesn't lose must of his experienced leaders and infrastructure in the after math.
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A real good friend of mine is all for the conspiracy theory. His fascination for Loose Change and this guy named William Rodriguez is starting to irritate me.
I don't believe the public has been told the whole truth. I think people have been trying to cover up mistakes that were made and could have possibly stoped what happened. And I think there are some questionable things that happened after 9/11. However, when you use half a brain and try to account for how many people would have to be quieted in order to demolish all 3 buildings you can't really believe its possible that they were proffesionialy demolished.
The main thing that has been misleading by the US gov't is that they say it was an attack on freedom. Anyone on the right 3/4's of the bell curve knows it was an attack on US foreign policy.
I bet you'd find a very strong correlation between people who don't have what they find as personally meaninful jobs or use for their time, and people who think 9/11 was an inside job.
If this whole thing was an inside job run by Bush and company do you not think that Bush could have been in a better chosen spot when it all broke out.
Perhaps in the Oval Office or Situation room rather than the brutal appearance of complete incompetance sitting reading a book about a turtle to children and continuing to read when he found out.
That moment was a horrible stain on his image. He would have scored huge points if it appeared he was always on guard for america. They would have not let that opportunity go.
If this whole thing was an inside job run by Bush and company do you not think that Bush could have been in a better chosen spot when it all broke out.
Perhaps in the Oval Office or Situation room rather than the brutal appearance of complete incompetance sitting reading a book about a turtle to children and continuing to read when he found out.
That moment was a horrible stain on his image. He would have scored huge points if it appeared he was always on guard for america. They would have not let that opportunity go.
That one moment proved that Bush had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. He was in complete and utter shock but I don't think that was a stain on his image.
Sorry, that really is not how things work. The side that thinks it is a conspiracy must defend their point of view. The official story of AQ on 911 is the true story, it no longer must be defended. If you have some facts contrary to the AQ story, then present them. Loose Change does not count, since that as well has been discredited.
I can't stand these crazy debates, this is not how things work. Must we defend gravity, dinosaurs and evolution as well?
Yes let's compare gravity to 9/11. Brilliant.
I thought in a democratic society the government is accountable to the people. Shouldn't the government be giving solid proof of their story instead of making it unbelievably easy for anyone to think up a conspiracy theory about every aspect of what happened that day? If a plane hits the Pentagon, can they not show ONE frame of video showing a plane in plain view of the building? That's all it really takes and 90% of people can be silenced. Instead we get a few lousy frames of video showing god knows what exploding into the building.
It's interesting to watch the video and try to figure out what he's thinking. He looks like he has no idea what to do.
"I guess I'll pick up the book now and pretend to interested in that."
I have always wondered that myself. I have always wanted a journalist to ask him the question. "What went through your mind at that moment?" You can see the gears turning and you can tell that he can't wait to get his butt out of there, but as the leader of the worlds biggest super power, you gotta wonder what is really going through the mans mind, like him or not.
Yes let's compare gravity to 9/11. Brilliant.
I thought in a democratic society the government is accountable to the people. Shouldn't the government be giving solid proof of their story instead of making it unbelievably easy for anyone to think up a conspiracy theory about every aspect of what happened that day? If a plane hits the Pentagon, can they not show ONE frame of video showing a plane in plain view of the building? That's all it really takes and 90% of people can be silenced. Instead we get a few lousy frames of video showing god knows what exploding into the building.
First of all there is security footage of the plane hitting. It isn't good footage, but security cameras don't record a lot of frames and planes move really, really fast. Secondly and most importantly it wouldn't do anything for the conspiracy theorists. They would move the goal post again if there was footage that would satisfy this particular claim. You don't need one frame of video showing that a plane hit the Pentagon because the mountain of evidence (including plane parts) is so overwhelming that you would have to be willfully ignorant or grossly misinformed to assume that one didn't.
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