Tamil Migrant Ship M/V Sun Sea will arrive Canada by Aug 14th

[Mirajj]

Here's a good article on what Australia currently does, and what they intend to do. While it is written by Ezra Levant, it's pretty good.

http://www.calgarysun.com/comment/20.../15166946.html

[Mad Mel]

Yeah, that sounds like an awesome plan. Model yourself after Australia, that beacon of racial tolerance.

[Devils'Advocate]

He says "once we follow Australia's lead, there won't be that many gatecrashing boats to deal with". How many boats have landed in the last year? Last two years? Last 5 years? Last 10 years? Is this an epidemic?

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

He says "once we follow Australia's lead, there won't be that many gatecrashing boats to deal with". How many boats have landed in the last year? Last two years? Last 5 years? Last 10 years? Is this an epidemic?

It is not the boat numbers. But the numbers of people.

43,500 from the best data I could find. Undoubtedly most are worthy of being accepted into Canada. Lets say 1% are criminals or simply BS refugees. That 435 undesirables. That is a crime spree in any city. I think setting up a system to better rid ourselves of that 1% is a worthy endeavor.

Actually what is worse is the pirates that prey on these people. That in itself is worthy of making it much more difficult.

They, those on that boat or at least those controlling the boat to make their loot, came here not because we were first on the list but because we were deemed the easiest targets.

[HOZ]

Australias Socialist gov't stance on Tamils.

http://www.youtube.com/NoToPeopleSmuggling

It IS to stop the HUMAN smuggling by pirates (for lack of a better word).

BTW: there are usually hostages and slavery involved when it come to human smuggling.

[Ducay]

I think people are underestimating the impacts that the pirating side of this will have; sure only 1% of these migrants might be criminals, but Im guessing 96% of them are going to have these huge outstanding debts to repay, and I guarentee you more than 1% will have to do drastic things to pay those loans off.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

He says "once we follow Australia's lead, there won't be that many gatecrashing boats to deal with". How many boats have landed in the last year? Last two years? Last 5 years? Last 10 years? Is this an epidemic?

Its mind-boggling how you think this isn't a problem that needs to be fixed.

[Devils'Advocate]

It's mind boggling how people say that environmentalists are desperate to over-exaggerate the threat of global warming so as to spread their "agenda". Most of them say that global warming "is a problem" but "not that much of a problem that it should be a priority issue for the government".

I think the situation is being overstated. The way Levant worded that paragraph suggested that we were being overrun by boats. I again ask the question: how many boats have we had land in the last 10 years?

[Azure]

Who said anything about global warming and environmental issues?

I don't care what Levant said. Fact is that these people are likely to get involved in criminal activity because of the circumstances involving their refugee claim. That creates a problem for the communities and cities they will live in, and your ideals about being humanitarians doesn't actually do a damn thing to solve the problems that will be faced in the future.

Turning a blind eye to this issue because you want to feel good about yourself and the rest of Canada for opening up their arms to people from countries who abuse human rights is actually quite funny, considering that you won't ever have to deal with these people, ever.

[Devils'Advocate]

I hope you are being deliberately obtuse. The environment comparison was that in many global warming threads, conservatives state that the issue is being overblown and doesn't demand the resources thrown at it that environmentalists are asking for. I think THIS issue is being overblown. There are not 100 boats arriving on our shores every year.

In fiscal year 09-10 117 people-smuggling boats landed in Australia. THAT is a huge problem. One, says yes we should look at fixing the problem, but we shouldn't knee jerk to action. And I don't think we should be paying as much as Australia is for their system. We using a ballistic missile on a mosquito.

[Pinner]

Did you order that pizza yet LiL Devil ?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I hope you are being deliberately obtuse. The environment comparison was that in many global warming threads, conservatives state that the issue is being overblown and doesn't demand the resources thrown at it that environmentalists are asking for. I think THIS issue is being overblown. There are not 100 boats arriving on our shores every year.

In fiscal year 09-10 117 people-smuggling boats landed in Australia. THAT is a huge problem. One, says yes we should look at fixing the problem, but we shouldn't knee jerk to action. And I don't think we should be paying as much as Australia is for their system. We using a ballistic missile on a mosquito.

You're the one being obtuse if you don't want to take this issue seriously until we do have 100+ ships landing at your shores ever year. You can't just bury your head in the sand and claim this isn't a problem. What the hell do you call overblown? 400 people might not seem like a lot, but that is easy for you to say considering you'll never have to deal with them, nor will you ever live in a community where they contribute to the crime rate because that is the only means they have at their disposal in order to survive.

We need to make sure there is a process in place to deal with this issue now, BEFORE it turns into some REALLY serious.

Your position reminds me so much of all the morons in the US who kept ignoring their illegal immigration problem. Now, when it becomes a serious issue, nobody knows how to deal with it. Send them back? Streamline their immigration policy? Absolutely nobody wants to deal with it, because now with 18 million of them, its far more precious of an issue, both politically, and economically. But if they would have had the foresight to realize the problem years ago, and made it easier for law-abiding immigrants coming across the border from Mexico to become legalized, they won't have the issues they have now.

As for your attempt at derailing the thread into an environmental debate, all I have to say is that the effect that global warming and many other environmental issues have on our entire planet are debatable. Hell, people were yelling and screaming about the Gulf Coast Oil Spill, and how the damage would be impossible to recover from, and yet nature seems to have come up with a mechanism on how to deal with the spilled oil. Sure, it still did some serious damage, but it wasn't even close to being as bad as some people, especially out to lunch environmentalists said it'll be.

That does not say that one should be 'green.' I support the green initiative. I just don't support destabilizing our economy over something we don't even properly understand yet.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Mad Mel

Randomly round up 50,000 Canadians who don't like the boat people and you'll get a Jackie Tran or two in there too.



There's a very simple answer to that. Thai prisons are likely where they would end up. And Thai prisons are not the country club that Canadian ones are. If I were one of the refugees, I wouldn't be leaving the boat in Bangkok either.

That is unlikely, according to reports most of these people had been in Thailand for more than a year waiting to get on the boat without being detained by Thai authorities. There are also reports that many of the Tamils did apply at the UN office but once they found out it would take up to 2 years they decided not to wait that long.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I really hoping Canada is seizing the ship so we can sell it to recoup some of the costs of this bs scene.

That ship isn't worth anything. An article in the Globe interviewed the previous crew of that boat and when they found out it was taken to Canada they were completely stunned. They said they didn't like sailing that boat between Sri Lanka and Thailand.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by HOZ

It is not the boat numbers. But the numbers of people.

43,500 from the best data I could find. Undoubtedly most are worthy of being accepted into Canada. Lets say 1% are criminals or simply BS refugees. That 435 undesirables. That is a crime spree in any city. I think setting up a system to better rid ourselves of that 1% is a worthy endeavor.

Actually what is worse is the pirates that prey on these people. That in itself is worthy of making it much more difficult.

They, those on that boat or at least those controlling the boat to make their loot, came here not because we were first on the list but because we were deemed the easiest targets.

Without posting a link the average over the years for acceptance of refugee claims (from all countries) in Canada is around 50%. So, at least half of these claimants are not refugees.

Does that sound like a good system? An effective system? A fair system? No, it is a crappy system. 50% of claimants are not deemed to be refugees. However, 100% are deemed refugees when WE, the Canadian government picks them from refugee camps or accepts refugees from applications from abroad. Now that sounds like a much fairer system.

[Mad Mel]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

That is unlikely, according to reports most of these people had been in Thailand for more than a year waiting to get on the boat without being detained by Thai authorities. There are also reports that many of the Tamils did apply at the UN office but once they found out it would take up to 2 years they decided not to wait that long.

For a report on how it goes for Tamil refugees in Thailand, click on the underlined link in my post. I'm not saying your point is incorrect, but I've never read anything to that effect. Places like Thailand or Indonesia (where an Aussie drug smuggler faces the firing squad shortly) aren't the holiday hotspots for refugees that they are for rich tourists.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Mad Mel

For a report on how it goes for Tamil refugees in Thailand, click on the underlined link in my post. I'm not saying your point is incorrect, but I've never read anything to that effect. Places like Thailand or Indonesia (where an Aussie drug smuggler faces the firing squad shortly) aren't the holiday hotspots for refugees that they are for rich tourists.

Where do you think ALL of these people were pickup up from? It was not Sri Lanka, so they all got to Thailand and other countries. Why is it so far out to think they they actually lived there for 1+ years?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Tamil migrant might be member of Tigers: CBSA

The migrant's name turned up in a Sri Lankan newspaper article detailing a trip taken by a high-ranking delegation of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam — commonly known as the Tamil Tigers. The delegation is alleged to have travelled to 12 countries raising money for humanitarian aid for the Tamil community in Sri Lanka.

Canada Border Services Agency representative Jennifer Friburg revealed the information at a detention review Wednesday in Maple Ridge, east of Vancouver.
Friburg said during his first interview with Canadian officials, the migrant — who can't be identified because of a publication ban — denied that he had ever travelled outside Sri Lanka.

When he was shown the newspaper article, the CBSA alleges, he admitted he had been on at least part of the trip but only as a member of the media.

http://www.kelowna.com/2010/09/09/ta...f-tigers-cbsa/

This is going to be the problem with all of these people. They are all going to lie until something can be presented to say otherwise.

If these guys are caught in a lie once, BOOM, their claim should be thrown out.