Proof-existence of an intelligent Creator+His Purpose for humankind

[driveway]

The Bible says a lot of things, and not very clearly.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

That's not true. The scientist would be labeled as a Christian scientist and be ignored by the scientific community. This would happen even if he claimed no religious allegiance.

And just to elaborate on my previous answer...

It doesn't have to be just about evolution or biology.

Anthropology, archaeology, geology, astronomy, cosmology, physics and a host of other sciences (plus plain old history) -- anyone in any of those fields could and would come up with evidence that the earth (and maybe the universe) is as old as the bible claims if it existed. They'd turn the world on its ear if they could back it up.

One scientist in any field legitimately proving that the earth is less than, say, 10000 years old, would change everything. There are millions of people involved in this. It's not a secret society. They don't all know each other and keep some sacred oath to cover up the truth.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Since I last posted here I've pulled a 13 hour shift, had 4 1/2 hours sleep and dealt with a few of my immediate family's responsibilities. I'll be doing it all over again tonight. I don't have the time or patience to respond to every single post thrown my way. I generally chose a couple based on my interest in the subject matter and my opinion of the initial posters current conduct in this thread. Snide comments like yours certainly does nothing to encourage my engagement.

Whats so snide? It's a few small questions that were asked by someone else.

You have the time to respond why you haven't but don't have the time to respond to the actual questions? Please!!

[photon]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It doesn't have to be just about evolution or biology.

Anthropology, archaeology, geology, astronomy, cosmology, physics and a host of other sciences (plus plain old history) -- anyone in any of those fields could and would come up with evidence that the earth (and maybe the universe) is as old as the bible claims if it existed. They'd turn the world on its ear if they could back it up.

That's the real strength behind these things... that the conclusions aren't just one person's interpretations of one bit of data as Calaryborn would like to think, but it's all the evidence from independent unrelated lines of inquiry that all point to the same conclusions.

If you get a conclusion through biology, and it's backed up through anthropology and geology and astronomy in completely different ways, that's very powerful.

[Reggie Dunlop]

If God was omnipotent, the Bible would have been available on Kindle from Day One. Instant updates.

He's God, right? Why wasn't there Kindle back then?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

You are what? A failed Catholic. Yet you pretend to have enough understanding of scriptures to condemn the old covenant as both irrelevant and cruel. You lack perspective. Your looking at selective trees and missing the forest. You need to read the old testament without an agenda.

I don't know where you came up with "failed Catholic". The only time I've ever been in a Catholic church is for a wedding I went to years ago. So just to be clear, I ain't a Catholic, failed or otherwise. The suggestion that I could be a "failed Catholic" reinforces a point I made earlier.

I do know how to read though, and if you think I "lack perspective" my response to that is "I know how to read". I've read both the old and new testaments (believe it or not, it is essentially required reading in some faculties of the heathen universities of this province) and I know what is written in those books.

I didn't need an agenda to tell me that a book that contains instructions on how to properly treat slaves is wrong.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't know where you came up with "failed Catholic". The only time I've ever been in a Catholic church is for a wedding I went to years ago. So just to be clear, I ain't a Catholic, failed or otherwise. The suggestion that I could be a "failed Catholic" reinforces a point I made earlier.

Sorry about that comment. I must have you confused with someone else on CP.

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I do know how to read though, and if you think I "lack perspective" my response to that is "I know how to read". I've read both the old and new testaments (believe it or not, it is essentially required reading in some faculties of the heathen universities of this province) and I know what is written in those books.

I didn't need an agenda to tell me that a book that contains instructions on how to properly treat slaves is wrong.

Well if you don't have an agenda why is your conclusions concerning the Old Testament so different then Jesus' and the Pharisee?

You seem to be stuck on this slave issue. Yet I suppose you don't appreciate God curbing the number of slaves in Israel by commanding the Israeli army to take no prisoners in most of their conflicts. What would you have done with these people?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Sorry about that comment. I must have you confused with someone else on CP.



Well if you don't have an agenda why is your conclusions concerning the Old Testament so different then Jesus' and the Pharisee?

You seem to be stuck on this slave issue. Yet I suppose you don't appreciate God curbing the number of slaves in Israel by commanding the Israeli army to take no prisoners in most of their conflicts. What would you have done with these people?

Should we appreciate the Holocaust? What would we have done with all those Jews?

[photon]

At least they kept the young girls around for themselves.

EDIT: Please note that I am not saying God encourages this kind of behavior, because I don't think the OT is to be taken literally and should be read as being written by who it was written by, reflecting the mores of that time.