Tell me there's nothing wrong with America

[worth]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

"Effectively, there is already a ban on handguns in Canada. They are already extremely tightly controlled and are only available to those requiring them for employment purposes (such as police and armoured car guards), legitimate target shooters, and approved collectors," said a spokesperson for Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day.
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/239072
I guess the Minister for Public works does not know the gun laws either, how sad.

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

You should have said "Again, you and the former Minister of Public Safety have no idea what you're talking about"

My apologies, I should have said that "handguns are effectively banned in Canada with the exception of collectors and those with registered licenses".

You said that if you had a registered license, you can have all the handguns you want, that is not quite correct, you have to have a registration certificate for each individual handgun. It is quite sad when people are on here talking about gun laws and do not even know what the hell they are talking about, you make it sound like you get the license and you can acquire as many handguns as you want. That is clearly not the case, Geez.

You have to get a registration certificate for ALL firearms, both restricted AND non-restricted. You need registration for the puny little .22 you've got in the basement just the same as you need one for your Glock17.

Registration certificates are handed out once you buy the weapon. The firearm is purchased, and the seller calls this into the Firearms Registration Center, where they register the gun to you. Then a week later you get a slip in the mail that says what type of firearm it is and that you own it. Simple, and there is no difference for hunting rifles or hand guns.

All the certificate does is show that the Firearms REgistry has it in their database. This doesn't prevent you from buying as many firearms as you want.

[Weiser Wonder]

This is my view on the subject of the "guns having a purpose other than killing":

Yes, they can be used for shooting targets, a fun and harmless hobby for millions of people. However, that is not a practical use and accomplishes nothing productive. The practical use for guns is killing. Therefore, I am against of letting people have their fun and unproductive hobby if it means other such guns will be on the streets. Not that banning guns will take them off the streets, I am speaking hypothetically.

[yads]

Slightly off topic, but if you own a hand gun do you keep it at your house or at the range? Someone said it's illegal to have a gun in public, so how do you transport it from your home to the range or the woods without violating the no hand guns in public law?

[worth]

You need an ATT (Authorization to Transport) form. This allows you to transport your hand gun to and from the range only. You can't keep it in your car and you're not supposed to stop off at some random place during transportation. Gun must be cased and locked. If you carry a hand gun out of its case into a local range, like shooters edge, they will probably shoot you.

More info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_to_Transport

In addition, I think it has been entioned in this thread as well, there is ATC (Authorization to Carry) in Canada. Anyone with a valid PAL, ATT and registration can apply for ATC. Meaning, you can apply to carry a concealed weapon, like in many states. However, you have to prove that it is necessary for you to do so. As I understand it, only around 50 have ever been issued.

In addition, Canadians were at one point able to get Concealed Carry licenses for multiple states. A few years ago, Canadians were taking the Utah Concealed Carry course, because Utah's certification were recgonized in 13 or 14 states if I recall. After you did this course and went through the red tape, you could transport your hand gun to certain states, and conceal carry in those states legally, just like any American. I remember they trying to shut this down because a lot of people were doing it, i'm not positive if it's still possible or not as of now.

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 I think a lot of it has to do with the US influence. You bombard our market with everything you have so sometimes we have to fight to retain our independence. 


No, certain people have an inferiority complex go apoplectic because they feel allowing Canadians (living, breathing human beings) the choice of what to watch on television will somehow corrupt our nation and prevent us from "telling our stories".

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 Nutjobs like Pat Buchannon and Tucker Carlson still think so. 


Nutjobs: Every country has them. Stop generalizing.

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 A lot of it has to with the sheer ignorance the US has of Canada. I was once asked in Seattle by a US citizen if we had the internet in Canada. Seattle! The huge city which only a few hundred kilometres from Vancouver. 


Is this representative of most people from Seattle, or are you basing an entire country's reputation on 1 uninformed person?

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They rip our more effective health care system, taxation but have no idea Canada's population is made up of 16% VISIBLE minorities. 


Many people rip taxation.

What is the percentage of VISIBLE minorities in the US?

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 and iconic global companies like Cirque du Soleil and RIM. 


There was a MacLean's article on Cirque a couple of weeks ago. Read it. You might feel differently.

A hand held device is not a national icon, silly

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^^PS, and could someone tell this uninformed Canadian how to use the damn quote button!???!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

You should have said "Again, you and the former Minister of Public Safety have no idea what you're talking about"

My apologies, I should have said that "handguns are effectively banned in Canada with the exception of collectors and those with registered licenses".

You said that if you had a registered license, you can have all the handguns you want, that is not quite correct, you have to have a registration certificate for each individual handgun. It is quite sad when people are on here talking about gun laws and do not even know what the hell they are talking about, you make it sound like you get the license and you can acquire as many handguns as you want. That is clearly not the case, Geez.

Now you're just trying to spin it.

You don't actually need the registration certificate to take the handgun home. You buy it, come back after 48 hours and pick it up. Registration isn't a part of the buying deal.

Outside of not actually being able to carry the weapon in public, our laws are not that far from the laws the US has.

We just have stricter safety standards.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Azure

Outside of not actually being able to carry the weapon in public, our laws are not that far from the laws the US has.

We just have stricter safety standards.

That's a pretty damn major difference though do you not agree? Massive really.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by nik-

That's a pretty damn major difference though do you not agree? Massive really.

Not being able to carry in public? Sure.

Albeit you can apply for a permit here.....you just probably won't get one.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

This is my view on the subject of the "guns having a purpose other than killing":

Yes, they can be used for shooting targets, a fun and harmless hobby for millions of people. However, that is not a practical use and accomplishes nothing productive. The practical use for guns is killing. Therefore, I am against of letting people have their fun and unproductive hobby if it means other such guns will be on the streets. Not that banning guns will take them off the streets, I am speaking hypothetically.

This boggles my mind.

Can be? That's EXACTLY what the VAST majority are used for...its not even debateable.

And who the hell is anyone to decide what is an "unproductive" hobby or not. Everyone reading this board is a hockey fan and would consider that a hobby...where is it a "productive" one though?

Man...sorry to pick you out of the masses, but that is just a horrible position to take on anything....its no good "cause I dont like it"???

Frightening.

[T@T]

I guess I should have known this thread would turn into a s**t show

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

I don't understand why Canadians are so passionate or opinionated about this. Is it just to find fault in the US to make Canada appear to be a superior country? Regardless of which side of the fence you're on with guns, why discuss it so passionately? What about discussing Canadian gun laws?

Maybe it's because thousands of your handguns from your country are being brought illegally into this country each year with the purpose to sell to gangs/thugs so they can shoot people.
I as a tax paying citizen of Canada don't want to see my country end up like yours where grandmothers feel the need to have a handgun under there pillow to feel safe at night, nor do i want some highschool kid to grab his dads uzi and three 9mm'rs and slaughter 20 kids at school because some little tighty rejected him.

I don't have a problem with guns for the purpose of hunting or even target/clay shooting, I have a problem with guns that can shoot 20 people in 3 seconds and handguns that can be concealed. these type of guns need to be banned completely.

I find it hilarious you 2nd ammendment spouting freaks even try to argue about your rights, I guess you love the blue ribbon you get every year for having the most gun related murders per capital on the planet.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

This is my view on the subject of the "guns having a purpose other than killing":

Yes, they can be used for shooting targets, a fun and harmless hobby for millions of people. However, that is not a practical use and accomplishes nothing productive. The practical use for guns is killing. Therefore, I am against of letting people have their fun and unproductive hobby if it means other such guns will be on the streets. Not that banning guns will take them off the streets, I am speaking hypothetically.

Watching a movie accomplishes nothing productive; drinking beer accomplishes nothing productive; going skiing accomplishes nothing productive, etc, etc.

You're going down a scary road by saying that even though the majority of the people, say more than 95%....use guns for target shooting and hunting, and will probably never, EVER harm anyone outside of a freak accident....that it still accomplishes nothing productive and therefore is a problem.

Well, guess what....its a frickin' free country, and I can do whatever the hell I want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.

Again, I'm glad some of you have absolutely NO say at all when it comes to gun rights. No wonder the NRA is so damn popular. All the people opposing guns aren't able to do it with logical reasoning.

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by Azure

Watching a movie accomplishes nothing productive; drinking beer accomplishes nothing productive; going skiing accomplishes nothing productive, etc, etc.

Totally. Because using a weapon designed to kill is pretty much the same thing as drinking a beer!

Unfortunately, my friend, you are the one with flawed logic. You sound like a 10 year old. "Screw you mom, I can do whatever I want, it's a free country!"

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Azure

Watching a movie accomplishes nothing productive; drinking beer accomplishes nothing productive; going skiing accomplishes nothing productive, etc, etc.

You're going down a scary road by saying that even though the majority of the people, say more than 95%....use guns for target shooting and hunting, and will probably never, EVER harm anyone outside of a freak accident....that it still accomplishes nothing productive and therefore is a problem.

Well, guess what....its a frickin' free country, and I can do whatever the hell I want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.

Again, I'm glad some of you have absolutely NO say at all when it comes to gun rights. No wonder the NRA is so damn popular. All the people opposing guns aren't able to do it with logical reasoning.

Actually, If you hunt and manage to kill something, you've accomplished something pretty big...food for 6 months

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Totally. Because using a weapon designed to kill is pretty much the same thing as drinking a beer!

Unfortunately, my friend, you are the one with flawed logic. You sound like a 10 year old. "Screw you mom, I can do whatever I want, it's a free country!"

Well, isn't that the essence of a free society? Gradually, we wean kids off authority such that when they do fly the coop, they are empowered to make the right decisions due to intrinsic reasons, not due to fear of authority?

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by bcb

Well, isn't that the essence of a free society? Gradually, we wean kids off authority such that when they do fly the coop, they are empowered to make the right decisions due to intrinsic reasons, not due to fear of authority?

Maybe it's just me, but for some reason, when I think of a man carrying a loaded automatic Rambo-style weapon on his back during a rally in Phoenix, the first word that comes to my mind is stupidity, not freedom.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Maybe it's just me, but for some reason, when I think of a man carrying a loaded automatic Rambo-style weapon on his back during a rally in Phoenix, the first word that comes to my mind is stupidity, not freedom.

Oh, I agree with you. The guy is probably a moron. But I can't assess his mental health from my computer, so I must assume he's competent. Therefore, if we take his gun away, where does that slippery slope end?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Totally. Because using a weapon designed to kill is pretty much the same thing as drinking a beer!

Unfortunately, my friend, you are the one with flawed logic. You sound like a 10 year old. "Screw you mom, I can do whatever I want, it's a free country!"

No, I think it is your logic that is sadly flawed. It IS a free country, and if someone wants to spend their free time with a firearm doing whatever hobby they enjoy, that is their right to do so. The bottom line for gun owners is they look at their firearms as a source of fun and even sustenance in their lives (for hunters). In order for a firearm to become dangerous, a person has to either be ignorant of safe operation, or have intent to use it on someone else, and that is why we take safety courses and go through background checks in order to be able to purchase one.

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by bcb

Oh, I agree with you. The guy is probably a moron. But I can't assess his mental health from my computer, so I must assume he's competent. Therefore, if we take his gun away, where does that slippery slope end?

What good is going to come from a man carrying a combat weapon on his back in the streets of a city in the developed world? This is not Kabul.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

No, I think it is your logic that is sadly flawed. It IS a free country, and if someone wants to spend their free time with a firearm doing whatever hobby they enjoy, that is their right to do so. The bottom line for gun owners is they look at their firearms as a source of fun and even sustenance in their lives (for hunters). In order for a firearm to become dangerous, a person has to either be ignorant of safe operation, or have intent to use it on someone else, and that is why we take safety courses and go through background checks in order to be able to purchase one.

Oh yeah totally. Because a registered gun owner has never used a legally purchased gun in any crimes or murders or anything!

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

What good is going to come from a man carrying a combat weapon on his back in the streets of a city in the developed world? This is not Kabul.

It's the principle, set out in the second amendment, not the location.

To quote the great human rights lawyer Irwin Cotler,

"A right is a right is a right"