Jim Carrey Posts on Vaccines at Huff Post

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Tower

Most people, no matter how stubborn they are, discover that the natural healing works best after they find out they have 1 year to live by using chemo or 3 months if they don't... They go and seek out because they are desperate, and feel they have been cheated by western medicine. They find their answer... http://www.phoenixtears.ca/

Hopefully your not that 1 in 3 chance.... Not that I'm the one creating fear with those odds.

Also watch "The Beautiful Truth". It's great that people are waking up!!!

http://whatstheharm.net/

I guess the all natural way worked for thousands of years where the average person lived for 35 years. Damn this modern medicine. What fools we have become.

[Shazam]

Here's a blog post I dreg up once in a while when people like Tower post:

The Arrogance of Ignorance

For many years, I have pondered the paradox that the people who know the least about a subject are often disproportionately confident in their mastery of it.

For example, in the mercury-causes-autism movement, many of the people who are the most disdainful of those who disagree with their received knowledge have little or no discernible education, training or experience in science, let alone biology or medicine. These people have degrees in business, art or - in the case of one self-proclaimed expert - Google.

[EVERLAST]

to all of the ignorant people on here that dont know a god damn thing about autism.

MY son IS autistic. Vac injections DO NOT cause autism BUT the heavy metals involved most likely do contribute to causing a problem. Enter chelation therapy.

If you havent read Jenny's book and dont have a child with autism that maybe you should STFU!!!

There ARE people like my self that wouldnt just wade into this kind od thread if they didnt know a thing or 2 about AUTISMS related contributing factors. I am not famous and havent written a book or think I am overly important to think that this post will be respected BUT.

This is entirely in poor taste .....this whole thread and should be closed.

you want to debate ME then PM ME and we can have this discussion if you want to be a tough person on the internet. I will quickly put you in you place.

Count on it.

[Shazam]

I don't know if you're joking or what.

[troutman]

http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...chelation.html

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

I just read that post in its entirety--thanks for the link, Shazam.

I agree completely with the author--and this is a problem that cuts across disciplines quite widely--that one problem in "controversies" like this one is that people who believe in these insane conspiracy theories are completely ready to assume that a little poking around on google is sufficient research to form an educated and complete opinion about topics that professionals spend 8-10 years in graduate school, only to realize in the process how little they actually know.

What this ironically means is that it's often those who admit ignorance who know the most--and those who are most confident in their opinion who are the most ignorant.

But he touches on another problem, which is that people who believe this stuff approach new information with such an intense and profound bias, that no new information could ever change their minds.

For instance, an autism-vaccines theorist believes that the reason no biological link between autism and thimerasol has ever been discovered is because some monolithic scientific establishment is both hopelessly blinkered and old-fashioned, while at the same time being in the pockets of "big pharma," which apparently has a vested interest in giving children autism.

As a result, these people suffer from total "analysis paralysis" on these issues--literally incapable of allowing new information to change their minds about anything--which amounts to saying that they are locked into ignorance because they are incapable of learning.

Sad, really.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

to all of the ignorant people on here that dont know a god damn thing about autism.

MY son IS autistic. Vac injections DO NOT cause autism BUT the heavy metals involved most likely do contribute to causing a problem. Enter chelation therapy.

If you havent read Jenny's book and dont have a child with autism that maybe you should STFU!!!

There ARE people like my self that wouldnt just wade into this kind od thread if they didnt know a thing or 2 about AUTISMS related contributing factors. I am not famous and havent written a book or think I am overly important to think that this post will be respected BUT.

This is entirely in poor taste .....this whole thread and should be closed.

you want to debate ME then PM ME and we can have this discussion if you want to be a tough person on the internet. I will quickly put you in you place.

Count on it.

I'm very sorry about your son--as a parent, I can't even imagine what that must be like. You're absolutely right that we should not be cavalier about autism, and I think your warning that this is a sensitive issue that affects people in the real world is fair and wise.

However, I don't think it's in poor taste to criticize people who want to create a link between autism and thimerasol, or autism and other vaccines, when no such link has ever been shown or documented and is in any case biologically implausible. All this does is to scapegoat the very people who can do the most to help people who suffer from autism--the medical practitioners and researchers who are trying to develop treatments for this illness, who are mostly doing it out of a sense of mission, not because they're in the pockets of "big pharma."

In fact, it's the nonseriousness of the conspiracy theorists that is truly offensive here, and merits your anger a lot more in my view. We're not talking about moon landings or JFK here--this is a real world problem, with real world effects on real people. To actively work to undermine the professionals who are doing research on it is utterly irresponsible--and that's what Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy ought to be pondering very carefully, regardless of how painful and difficult their own situations are.

[photon]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

This is entirely in poor taste .....this whole thread and should be closed.

I disagree, it's important to let people know that Jenny McCarthy advocating no vaccinations or delayed vaccinations is leading directly to babies dying of preventable diseases.

[EVERLAST]

nm

[Tower]

I am very happy that there are others out there who think past the Doctors to Big Pharma profit gain.

How many babies die from "preventable disease" vs negligent prescription of drugs. I'm overjoyed that some of you believe so highly in your Doctors education to keep you "healthy". Keep it up. Believe is the billion dollar marketing! I'm sure you all fall for that as well. Gullible indeed.

Your attitudes and need to insult speaks far more about your true nature towards your fellow man.

I have family members and friends who suffer through the BS on modern medicine. They never truly get cured, but the ones who wake up and start taking their health into their hands make modern "miracle" Advances.

My mother never smoked, never did drugs and rarely drinks. Yet she was diagnosed with the lung strength of an 80 year old when she was 45. What did the doctors do? They did give her something to treat the lungs! And over time made it worse and more dependent on the chemical!Then she listened to me and saw a naturaopath. After $60 from her pocket and 1 month past her lungs we almost normal. She dropped her medication and has been in great health. Now 10 years later she is doing great still.

Anyone with asthma or emphazema must seek other council. But it's up to you.

Keep it up Jim Carey! Get the message out!

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Tower, you're right. Some posters have been less than respectful to you, and that's too bad.

But the problem with your perspective, regardless of how many anecdotes you relate, is exactly this:

How many babies die from "preventable disease" vs negligent prescription of drugs. I'm overjoyed that some of you believe so highly in your Doctors education to keep you "healthy". Keep it up. Believe is the billion dollar marketing! I'm sure you all fall for that as well. Gullible indeed.

This is the final fall-back position of the conspiracy theorist--and it is this attitude that blinds you to the value of new information. If every bit of information that you could possibly acquire is already pre-interpreted as the product of "billion dollar marketing" packaged for the benighted masses who unlike you are "gullible," then... you are literally incapable of learning anything new about this topic. You literally already know everything you will ever know about it.

No-one's saying science or medicine is perfect. You can't solve this issue by posing a false dilemma between pharmaceuticals and nutrition, or between naturopathy and traditional medicine. Instead--why not a dialogue in which you are prepared to accept that not everyone who disagrees with you is a hopelessly deluded sheep? Where you might accept that other perspectives, and other people, have things to say that might change your mind, or change the way you think?

Otherwise--I think you'll agree--there isn't any point, and we may as well retreat to our internet fortresses and hurl insults at each other.

[Bagor]

Health chiefs in Wales are dealing with a "massive" measles outbreak, with numbers already four times the highest figure recorded over the past 13 years.Four nursery school children were treated in hospital as part of 127 cases across mid and west Wales, while there are another 35 cases in Conwy.
The National Public Health Service (NPHS) in Wales saw 39 cases last year. Its highest figure in 2003 was 44.

Officials appealed for parents to take up the MMR vaccine.

Dr Mac Walapu, consultant in communicable disease control for the NPHS, said: "For as long as there are children who do not receive their MMR vaccinations, there is the potential for outbreaks of measles to happen and we would remind anyone in Wales, and not just in the affected area."

A spokeswoman added: "We need to be up front with parents."
She added: "We try not to be too scary when we talk to people about this, but children die of measles and children are impaired by measles. "It puts children in hospital. The reality it is that this is happening now, in Wales. Measles is very contagious."
She said the outbreak was set to be the biggest in Wales since the MMR vaccine was introduced in 1998.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8057661.stm

If the kids had been fed properly they wouldn't have become infected.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Tower, you're right. Some posters have been less than respectful to you, and that's too bad.

But the problem with your perspective, regardless of how many anecdotes you relate, is exactly this:


This is the final fall-back position of the conspiracy theorist--and it is this attitude that blinds you to the value of new information. If every bit of information that you could possibly acquire is already pre-interpreted as the product of "billion dollar marketing" packaged for the benighted masses who unlike you are "gullible," then... you are literally incapable of learning anything new about this topic. You literally already know everything you will ever know about it.

No-one's saying science or medicine is perfect. You can't solve this issue by posing a false dilemma between pharmaceuticals and nutrition, or between naturopathy and traditional medicine. Instead--why not a dialogue in which you are prepared to accept that not everyone who disagrees with you is a hopelessly deluded sheep? Where you might accept that other perspectives, and other people, have things to say that might change your mind, or change the way you think?

Otherwise--I think you'll agree--there isn't any point, and we may as well retreat to our internet fortresses and hurl insults at each other.

I totally understand your point and it is very well articulated and received.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Tower

How many babies die from "preventable disease" vs negligent prescription of drugs. I'm overjoyed that some of you believe so highly in your Doctors education to keep you "healthy". Keep it up. Believe is the billion dollar marketing! I'm sure you all fall for that as well. Gullible indeed.

Do you understand that you are creating a false dilemma here? It's a logical fallacy, which means that the reasoning isn't sound. If your reasoning isn't sound, your conclusions aren't reliable.

[Thor]

Massive Measles Outbreak in Wales

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8057661.stm

[troutman]

http://www.csicop.org/si/2007-06/

http://www.csicop.org/si/2007-06/novella.html

Despite the growing scientific consensus that vaccines are safe and that neither vaccines nor mercury cause autism, a stubborn vocal minority claims otherwise, threatening the effectiveness of this public health program.

http://www.csicop.org/si/2007-06/judelsohn.html

Despite scientific proof and a long track record of vaccine safety, we see public policy based on junk beliefs, misinformation, fear, and mass hysteria. In 2006, a number of legislative bodies passed, and executives signed, bills prohibiting use of vaccines containing thimerosal. From a practical perspective, these restrictions mean little, since all but a few influenza vaccines do not contain thimerosal. But such policies send a bad message: that the vaccines that have virtually eradicated many diseases, constituting one of the greatest public health accomplishments of the past century, are dangerous. Furthermore, these policies denigrate our informed medical and scientific communities. This is a disservice to our citizens and endangers us all.

[Burninator]

Here is an excellent article for anyone interested in how this whole anti-vaccination debacle got started and why they don't have a leg to stand on. I highly recommend anyone interested in this topic to check it out. It's a bit lengthy, but worth the read.

Vaccines and Autism: A Deadly Manufactroversy
During a question and answer session after a talk I recently gave, I was asked for my opinion about the vaccine/autism controversy. That was easy: my opinion is that there is no controversy. The evidence is in. The scientific community has reached a clear consensus that vaccines don’t cause autism. There is no controversy.

There is, however, a manufactroversy — a manufactured controversy — created by junk science, dishonest researchers, professional misconduct, outright fraud, lies, misrepresentations, irresponsible reporting, unfortunate media publicity, poor judgment, celebrities who think they are wiser than the whole of medical science, and a few maverick doctors who ought to know better. Thousands of parents have been frightened into rejecting or delaying immunizations for their children. The immunization rate has dropped, resulting in the return of endemic measles in the U.K. and various outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases in the U.S. children have died. Herd immunity has been lost. The public health consequences are serious and are likely to get worse before they get better — a load of unscientific nonsense has put us all at risk.


http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03#feature

[troutman]

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=514

Newsweek released an Oprah expose soon after my blog post was published. It was indeed very gratifying to see a major news outlet take Oprah to task for her irresponsible promotion of pseudoscience. Of course, it’s been years in the making – but I’m glad that someone “mainstream” finally said something.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/200025

This is where things get tricky. Because the truth is, some of what Oprah promotes isn't good, and a lot of the advice her guests dispense on the show is just bad. The Suzanne Somers episode wasn't an oddball occurrence. This kind of thing happens again and again on Oprah. Some of the many experts who cross her stage offer interesting and useful information (props to you, Dr. Oz). Others gush nonsense. Oprah, who holds up her guests as prophets, can't seem to tell the difference. She has the power to summon the most learned authorities on any subject; who would refuse her? Instead, all too often Oprah winds up putting herself and her trusting audience in the hands of celebrity authors and pop-science artists pitching wonder cures and miracle treatments that are questionable or flat-out wrong, and sometimes dangerous.

On the Oprah show, McCarthy's charges went virtually unchallenged. Oprah praised McCarthy's bravery and plugged her book, but did not invite a physician or scientist to explain to her audience the many studies that contradict the vaccines-autism link. Instead, Oprah read a brief statement from the Centers for Disease Control saying there was no science to prove a connection and that the government was continuing to study the problem. But McCarthy got the last word. "My science is named Evan, and he's at home. That's my science." Oprah might say that McCarthy was just sharing her first-person story and that Oprah wasn't endorsing her point of view. But by the end of the show, the take-away message for any mother with young kids was pretty clear: be afraid.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=514

Newsweek released an Oprah expose soon after my blog post was published. It was indeed very gratifying to see a major news outlet take Oprah to task for her irresponsible promotion of pseudoscience. Of course, it’s been years in the making – but I’m glad that someone “mainstream” finally said something.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/200025

This is where things get tricky. Because the truth is, some of what Oprah promotes isn't good, and a lot of the advice her guests dispense on the show is just bad. The Suzanne Somers episode wasn't an oddball occurrence. This kind of thing happens again and again on Oprah. Some of the many experts who cross her stage offer interesting and useful information (props to you, Dr. Oz). Others gush nonsense. Oprah, who holds up her guests as prophets, can't seem to tell the difference. She has the power to summon the most learned authorities on any subject; who would refuse her? Instead, all too often Oprah winds up putting herself and her trusting audience in the hands of celebrity authors and pop-science artists pitching wonder cures and miracle treatments that are questionable or flat-out wrong, and sometimes dangerous.

On the Oprah show, McCarthy's charges went virtually unchallenged. Oprah praised McCarthy's bravery and plugged her book, but did not invite a physician or scientist to explain to her audience the many studies that contradict the vaccines-autism link. Instead, Oprah read a brief statement from the Centers for Disease Control saying there was no science to prove a connection and that the government was continuing to study the problem. But McCarthy got the last word. "My science is named Evan, and he's at home. That's my science." Oprah might say that McCarthy was just sharing her first-person story and that Oprah wasn't endorsing her point of view. But by the end of the show, the take-away message for any mother with young kids was pretty clear: be afraid.

But if you look under your seat you might find an RV!!!!!!!!

[photon]

I was going to post the Oprah Newsweek thing too.. read some of the comments, they're pure comedy gold!

"This article is racist."

Lol.