Zeitgeist, 9/11, and Other Conspiracies

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Please, before you say anything else go find a civil engineer and ask him what he thinks might happen to a building after you knock out the supports on one side of a building - any building - doesn't have to be WTC7. Just in general engineering terms - is that a good thing or a bad thing?

By the way: it was designed to be earthquake-resistant not building-two-and-a-half-times-its-size-collapsing-onto-it-proof.

He won't say that it falls at the speed of gravity perfectly vertical into its own footprint.......

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

No you aren't. That's just plain wrong.



So you believe this was insurance fraud?

People who believe in this stuff always make hay about how no other buildings were destroyed. Your "conspirators" were in the process of murdering thousands of people and risking the lives of hundreds of thousands more, but they took great care and risked getting caught to minimize damage to the next door neighbour's place? Does that make sense to you?

So I'm wrong that if the towers tipped over rather than imploding, ...it wouldnt have done FAR more damage to Manhattan??

The damage would have reached way further and killed many more people in the process...

When I said it would destroy Manhattan, I was exaggerating a bit of course.

[photon]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

No it hasnt been answered because none of you are demolition experts, and your sources could be as inaccurate as you claim mine are. WTC 7 fell PERFECTLY on its own foot print.

Hey look, it's tilting, not falling into its own footprint!

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

You are ignoring my other points of witness reports, the nano-thermite exploive material that was found in the dust from tower 1,2, and explosions were heard at the bottom floors from 1st responders....
Plus..........Larry Silverstein himself said they were going to "pull" building 7 on camera.

All of this has been covered and debunked over and over.

I admit I was totally wrong about you, I had thought that you were open to reason but you are a die-hard Truther in the end.

I'm not going to go through all of this stuff point by point, because ultimately it's futile. It's been done before, you didn't believe it then (or you won't read it) and you won't now, it's a waste of my time and energy, and circular reasoning is unassailable until the individual is willing to break the circle.

If, rather than only reading things which will confirm your bias, you really want to talk to people who are willing to take the time to go over things with a fine toothed comb I would recommend here, there's a large mix of people including "Truthers":

http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=91

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

He won't say that it falls at the speed of gravity perfectly vertical into its own footprint.......

perfectly into its own footprint? didn't its collapse demolish another nearby building and do 1.4 billion dollars worth of damage to another?

[Azure]

Watch this....

http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/x/2007a/07...ffmannWTC.html

And then come back and talk about all the 'holes' in the official story.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Azure

Watch this....

http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/x/2007a/07...ffmannWTC.html

And then come back and talk about all the 'holes' in the official story.

Well if we can put your silly animations aside there are plenty more holes. I just watched "Loose Change" documentary, and it revealed some of the following;

-passengers on the flights unaccounted for, some of them on record for being already deceased........no bodies found at the Pentagon or in Shanksville. Must have "vaporized"
-9 of the so called hijackers were found to be alive and well after the attack, scattered all over the world.
-no physical remains of aircraft that went down on the Pentagon and in Shanksville. They "vaporized".....
-the hole in the side of the Pentagon was not near big enough to think that a Boeing jet went through it. In several photos the Pentagon lawn was not even damaged.
-Rolls Royce officials claiming that the one engine piece found at the Pentagon "did not belong to a Boeing aircraft"
-cell phone calls from the flights that were technically impossible to make from that altitude at that time. No background screaming or noise on any of the cell phone conversations.
-NO AIR DEFENSE RESPONSE AT ALL when it was discovered that the planes were hijacked..............they were doing "training exercises" that day......
-Project building managers of the WTC towers who said that the buildings were over-designed and could take plane impact, high winds, fire etc., then later completely reversed their comments later on.
-insider trading on the day of 9/11
-where are the flight data recorders? What information was on them? They are supposed to be virtually indestructible yet they DID find a passport of a suspected terrorist that miraculously made it through the collapse of the towers.
-1st responding fire fighters hearing multiple explosions from lower floors of the 2 towers.


The list goes on and on........watch the film it is only 1 hour and 20 minutes............maybe it will open you guys up a bit.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Mikey....

WHY? What was the endgame that required all of this to happen?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Also, if you can find good footage of the towers during their collapse, you will see that the floors below the plane impact location each blow up in succession, blowing debris and smoke out the sides ahead of the "pancake" effect...........not to mention the free fall speed at which the towers came down..................with NO reistance.

There was also molten steel found in the basement portions of the twin towers along with nano-thermite explosive. You cant get that at Walmart.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Mikey....

WHY? What was the endgame that required all of this to happen?

If you get 80 minutes of free time check out "Loose Change" for free on youtube.....by all means be critical. But the problem is you might see a conflicting report somewhere else or the questions are not answered at all. The mainstream media (Fox, MSNBC etc.) all dismiss the truth movement as psycho babble, or right wing extremism......like come on. Isn't the media of the free world supposed to be open to opinion and free speech??

The endgame was U.S. foreign policy change, going into Iraq and Afghanistan, and passing the Patriot Act and so on.
You see, in order to secure that oil over there, Bush needed an excuse to sell it to the public and what better than a terrorist attack by evils from the Middle East.....to get those weapons of mass destruction (that they did not find) so as to make Americans feel safe from terror!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well if we can put your silly animations aside there are plenty more holes. I just watched "Loose Change" documentary, and it revealed some of the following;

bwahaha

I read this first part of your post and thought this was a joke. You seriously just discovered that lame piece of crap that has been conclusively debunked in its entirety for about 5 years now....

That's like saying you just found about the JFK theories or the illuminati... well not exactly there is a possibility that there is truth to those theories.

Seriously I don't disrespect people's beliefs very often, but you deserve to be pointed at and laughed at.

I seriously hope you are just playing devil's advocate here for entertainment's sake. Otherwise I suggest buying yourself a tin foil hat.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

If you get 80 minutes of free time check out "Loose Change" for free on youtube.....by all means be critical. But the problem is you might see a conflicting report somewhere else or the questions are not answered at all. The mainstream media (Fox, MSNBC etc.) all dismiss the truth movement as psycho babble, or right wing extremism......like come on. Isn't the media of the free world supposed to be open to opinion and free speech??

The endgame was U.S. foreign policy change, going into Iraq and Afghanistan, and passing the Patriot Act and so on.
You see, in order to secure that oil over there, Bush needed an excuse to sell it to the public and what better than a terrorist attack by evils from the Middle East.....to get those weapons of mass destruction (that they did not find) so as to make Americans feel safe from terror!

That's a giant load of crap.

Do you REALLY believe they needed to go that extreme length to get that sentiment?

Wouldn't it have been cheaper just to BUY THE OIL FROM SADDAM?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

The endgame was U.S. foreign policy change, going into Iraq and Afghanistan, and passing the Patriot Act and so on.

I thought you said it was so that Finklestein guy could make an insurance claim?

Can you explain how the 50 thousand people who worked in those buildings didn't notice their offices being prepared for demolition?

How did they pull that off? All the maintenance staff and janitors and people going in and out of that place all day every day and nobody noticed that somebody was filling the building with explosives?

And what do you mean by "the speed of gravity"? How fast was the thing supposed to fall?

[photon]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

-passengers on the flights unaccounted for, some of them on record for being already deceased........no bodies found at the Pentagon or in Shanksville. Must have "vaporized"

According to Wikipedia Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller located and identified 1500 body parts which amounted to 600 lbs. If you are looking for whole bodies in a plane crash - you won't find them. Look at the recent Air France crash, they miscounted the number of bodies they were able to locate and I will assume that it isn't because they rescuers failed grade 1 math. People do disintegrate when they go from hundreds of miles per hour to zero in seconds, combined with the fire what were you really expecting, someone to have a sign that said terrorists did this?

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

-9 of the so called hijackers were found to be alive and well after the attack, scattered all over the world.

Prove it.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

-no physical remains of aircraft that went down on the Pentagon and in Shanksville. They "vaporized".....

This point is so stupid that I don't think I will continue with your lists of "truths"... so it was massive insurance fraud at the Pentagon as well or was that in order to distract people? Or coincidence? I mean what is your hypothesis? Or is it just yelling at the moon?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by blankall

bwahaha

I read this first part of your post and thought this was a joke. You seriously just discovered that lame piece of crap that has been conclusively debunked in its entirety for about 5 years now....

That's like saying you just found about the JFK theories or the illuminati... well not exactly there is a possibility that there is truth to those theories.

Seriously I don't disrespect people's beliefs very often, but you deserve to be pointed at and laughed at.

I seriously hope you are just playing devil's advocate here for entertainment's sake. Otherwise I suggest buying yourself a tin foil hat.

Are you talking about the Popular Mechanics report that attempted to falsify the conspiracy theorists?
Because that report has been falsified by other books, namely a book written by David Ray Griffin called "Debunking 9/11 Debunking"

No one here finds it odd that no official investigation has taken place? And don't tell me the 9/11 Commission Report holds a candle to anything. No one has been under oath, no one.
How come they haven't found Osama yet?

[Tower]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well if we can put your silly animations aside there are plenty more holes. I just watched "Loose Change" documentary, and it revealed some of the following;

-passengers on the flights unaccounted for, some of them on record for being already deceased........no bodies found at the Pentagon or in Shanksville. Must have "vaporized"
-9 of the so called hijackers were found to be alive and well after the attack, scattered all over the world.
-no physical remains of aircraft that went down on the Pentagon and in Shanksville. They "vaporized".....
-the hole in the side of the Pentagon was not near big enough to think that a Boeing jet went through it. In several photos the Pentagon lawn was not even damaged.
-Rolls Royce officials claiming that the one engine piece found at the Pentagon "did not belong to a Boeing aircraft"
-cell phone calls from the flights that were technically impossible to make from that altitude at that time. No background screaming or noise on any of the cell phone conversations.
-NO AIR DEFENSE RESPONSE AT ALL when it was discovered that the planes were hijacked..............they were doing "training exercises" that day......
-Project building managers of the WTC towers who said that the buildings were over-designed and could take plane impact, high winds, fire etc., then later completely reversed their comments later on.
-insider trading on the day of 9/11
-where are the flight data recorders? What information was on them? They are supposed to be virtually indestructible yet they DID find a passport of a suspected terrorist that miraculously made it through the collapse of the towers.
-1st responding fire fighters hearing multiple explosions from lower floors of the 2 towers.


The list goes on and on........watch the film it is only 1 hour and 20 minutes............maybe it will open you guys up a bit.

The great thing about it Mike is that others are coming forward now, eye account witnesses in the form of officers and firemen. Most here and across NA/World do not want to believe that big business rules them, and they are sheeple. Rightfully so! Nobody wants that! We can only account for ourselves, our actions and what we do to make sure we are protected. I'm done trying to convince sheeple. They like being plugged in and don't want to leave. They believe the cash in their pocket is money backed with value. They believe they own their homes, and they believe that the top most influential people in this word just get together to roast wieners and not discuss about control and how to get more of it.

Instead of trying to find remedy going against the cheese greater pick a different surface to grow. Dig deeper on remedy rather than the focus on the negative. Most have trouble believing what I talk about and it bothers me not as I am putting it to practice. I've started some cool stuff!

Anyway. Take care, and it's good to see the people unplug!

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

That's a giant load of crap.

Do you REALLY believe they needed to go that extreme length to get that sentiment?

Wouldn't it have been cheaper just to BUY THE OIL FROM SADDAM?

Oh so you think Bush could have just got up one morning and decided to throw billions of dollars out the window and aggressively invade other countries with no good reason?
He had to SELL it to the public, not to mention other nations. He went out to get Al Qaeda and those phantom wepaons of mass destruction.

[RougeUnderoos]

Ahh yes, we are all sheeple. Non-thinking morons, herded around by big business, the CIA, the mafia, the media, the oil companies and the Republican party.

The people who listen to late night radio and go to Google University know the real truth. The rest of us don't have a clue.

Maybe, just maybe, those towers were brought down by unvaccinated aliens. Did you ever think of that possibility?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

According to Wikipedia Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller located and identified 1500 body parts which amounted to 600 lbs. If you are looking for whole bodies in a plane crash - you won't find them. Look at the recent Air France crash, they miscounted the number of bodies they were able to locate and I will assume that it isn't because they rescuers failed grade 1 math. People do disintegrate when they go from hundreds of miles per hour to zero in seconds, combined with the fire what were you really expecting, someone to have a sign that said terrorists did this?



Prove it.






This point is so stupid that I don't think I will continue with your lists of "truths"... so it was massive insurance fraud at the Pentagon as well or was that in order to distract people? Or coincidence? I mean what is your hypothesis? Or is it just yelling at the moon?

Mustard I said that in the documentary it was shown that some of the hijackers did not die in the plane crashes, and were not on the planes at all. Some of them however, were on record as being trained in U.S. military facilitites.
Its in the film, if you dont want to watch it then don't question me on it.

As far as the plane parts go.......in the same film they had an engine part on the grounds at the Pentagon, but the maunfacturers of the Boeing engines(Rolls Royce) said there was no way that that specific part was on the aircraft claimed to have smashed into the Pentagon.

Wally Miller is hardly a solid source for anything. He was quoted as saying "there was not a drop of blood".........and mentioned that it looked like nothing more than a crater with a bunch of scrap metal scattered everywhere. Here is a 2 minute video of Wally talking a bit about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rygx1Q8zw3E

And as far as the insurance fraud goes.............well Silverstein was only one of many people who got what they wanted after 9/11..he's only part of the story, it is not based around insurance fraud. Read some of the other posts please.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Ahh yes, we are all sheeple. Non-thinking morons, herded around by big business, the CIA, the mafia, the media, the oil companies and the Republican party.

The people who listen to late night radio and go to Google University know the real truth. The rest of us don't have a clue.

Maybe, just maybe, those towers were brought down by unvaccinated aliens. Did you ever think of that possibility?

I don't know all the answers yet, but I sure as hell don't think a group of terrorists with box knives did this either.