Who is winning the election?

[albertGQ]

Originally posted by RedHot25+Nov 2 2004, 11:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RedHot25 @ Nov 2 2004, 11:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

With all your pro-gay talk, why dont' we allow any two individuals who love each other to get married.

A brother should be able to marry his sister if they're in love
A brother should be able to marry his twin brother if they're in love
A mother should be able to marry her son if they're in love
A mother should be able to marry her daughter if they're in love
A father should be able to marry his grandmother if they're in love

None of these "unions" affect you, so if it ever came to a vote, then I am assuming you would vote for insest marriages right?

BUT...

You still haven't answered our question.

Why is it ok for you to say no to gay marriages because it says so in the bible, but you wouldn't say no to premarital sex (even though it says that in the bible too)?

Sorry, but this just well confuses me. Isn't there a wee bit of a contradiction there? [/b][/quote]
I've answered it. Its because I am closed-minded when it comes to homosexuals and their rights. I'll admit it. I AM CLOSED MINDED WHEN IT COMES TO HOMOSEXUALS AND THEIR RIGHTS.

Now answer my question please. And since you are not closed-minded, I am looking for a good explaination if you're against incest marriages

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by albertGQ@Nov 3 2004, 12:35 AM
With all your pro-gay talk,

I don't think you understand, its not "pro-gay talk" its basically, "oh, these two adult human beings are in love why should I care what they do"

It really isn't a matter of me caring about gay people, I care about them as much as I do a straight person I have never meet, I don't. People who are against gay marriage care alot more about what gay people do then I.

[albertGQ]

Originally posted by RedHot25+Nov 2 2004, 11:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RedHot25 @ Nov 2 2004, 11:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

All religions are like that. Not just the Catholic church

So that makes it acceptable then to choose the Catholic rules to follow? [/b][/quote]
Nope. Never said that either. You like putting words in my mouth hey? I am not at all putting my religion on towards you. I just said I would vote no against gay marriages because of that. You can vote yes for whatever reason you want.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by albertGQ@Nov 3 2004, 12:39 AM
I'll admit it. I AM CLOSED MINDED WHEN IT COMES TO HOMOSEXUALS AND THEIR RIGHTS.

There we go, the truth shall set you free my brother. The only reason a person is against two people getting married is being close minded.

[browna]

Not sure of the numbers, but I do imagine that in a small economic way, Gay marriage would affect taxpayers, federally and economically. With gay married couples being given the same benefits and tax laws as traditional married couples (better/cheaper benefits/assistances etc). it means that there would be less tax being collected, and, higher premiums for Health Care, and various company benefit programs etc. then two people paying seperate taxes and paying into beneift/health care programs seperately....meaning everyone else now pays more.

Maybe very minor, but it can affect everyone, in a financial way.

[lucid]

I think the whole issue of being against gay marriage is a lot more complex than some people here are making it out to be. It can't be reduced to:"You feel threatened by gay marraige/ you read the Bible literally, that's why you oppose it." It's a lot more complicated, a lot more personal, and can be very hard for some to justify their reasoning. Just my opinion... though the arguments or reasoning against gay marriage may not seem logical, rational or fair to others, for some, in their heart, they believe that's the way it should be. (Not everyone thinks in this fashion, but some do)

In other news, Fox news is reporting that the Kerry camp is not accepting the Ohio projections various networks. (ala Gore re: Florida)

[albertGQ]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Nov 2 2004, 11:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Nov 2 2004, 11:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-albertGQ@Nov 3 2004, 12:35 AM
With all your pro-gay talk,

I don't think you understand, its not "pro-gay talk" its basically, "oh, these two adult human beings are in love why should I care what they do"

It really isn't a matter of me caring about gay people, I care about them as much as I do a straight person I have never meet, I don't. People who are against gay marriage care alot more for gay people then I do. [/b][/quote]
Well, I've answered your questions, now answer my question whether you are against or for incest marriages

[Mike F]

Originally posted by albertGQ@Nov 2 2004, 10:31 PM
Of course not 100%. That is impossible. Mostly I follow it as much as I can. I am human so the ones that are too hard for me to follow I do not. Sometimes temptation is too strong for me. Being against homosexuals is not a hard one for me. so that is why I am against it. Premarital sex is hard to avoid, so I don't even bother trying to follow that rule

Christianity says it's wrong to be homosexual, it doesn't say "be against homosexuals". In fact I believe it says "Love thy neighbour"

So if premarital sex is against Christianity, just like homosexuality; and you say that you can't resist your sin, but you don't have a problem with that, why do you have such a problem with others who can't resist their sin that you feel like you need to prevent them from getting married, which would have no effect on your life?

[moon]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Nov 2 2004, 11:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Nov 2 2004, 11:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-moon@Nov 3 2004, 12:36 AM
Actually it only has to make sense for me and only I have to feel as though it is a good enough reason based on the fact that it is my opinion.

How can it make sence for you though, you don't even know why you are against it? [/b][/quote]
I do know though. I know that when I think of two men together I don't like it. I know that when I think of two men getting married it doesn't seem right. And I just know that for me I don't support it. That is all I need.

[RedHot25]

Originally posted by albertGQ+Nov 3 2004, 06:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (albertGQ @ Nov 3 2004, 06:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

So that makes it acceptable then to choose the Catholic rules to follow?

Nope. Never said that either. You like putting words in my mouth hey? I am not at all putting my religion on towards you. I just said I would vote no against gay marriages because of that. You can vote yes for whatever reason you want. [/b][/quote]
Albert...

Like I said in an earlier comment to moon, I don't mean this to be personal or attack or anything like that. If you feel like that, I apologize, and with that I will stop.

I don't mean it to be "putting words in your mouth"; instead, it is just me asking questions about the "no reason"....I am, quite honestly, asking about things I see as contradictions. If you can point out my mistake in my opinion in deciphering your opinion, fair enough. But you have yet to do that, in my view. Fair enough. I'll leave it at that.

Cheers.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by moon@Nov 3 2004, 12:42 AM
I do know though. I know that when I think of two men together I don't like it. I know that when I think of two men getting married it doesn't seem right. And I just know that for me I don't support it. That is all I need.

When I see a fat man and a fat women together I don't like it, but they seem happy, why should we care either way?

[albertGQ]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Nov 2 2004, 11:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Nov 2 2004, 11:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-albertGQ@Nov 3 2004, 12:39 AM
I'll admit it. I AM CLOSED MINDED WHEN IT COMES TO HOMOSEXUALS AND THEIR RIGHTS.

There we go, the truth shall set you free my brother. The only reason a person is against two people getting married is being close minded. [/b][/quote]
I never said I wasn't closed-minded when it came to gay marriages. Thats just the way I am when it comes to that subject

Now are you going to answer my question about incest marriages? You seem to be dodging that question

[kermitology]

Originally posted by browna@Nov 3 2004, 12:42 AM
Not sure of the numbers, but I do imagine that in a small economic way, Gay marriage would affect taxpayers, federally and economically. With gay married couples being given the same benefits and tax laws as traditional married couples (better/cheaper benefits/assistances etc). it means that there would be less tax being collected, and, higher premiums for Health Care, and various company benefit programs etc. then two people paying seperate taxes and paying into beneift/health care programs seperately....meaning everyone else now pays more.

Maybe very minor, but it can affect everyone, in a financial way.

I don't think that's the issue though.. it's just the use of the word marriage

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by albertGQ@Nov 3 2004, 12:42 AM
Well, I've answered your questions, now answer my question whether you are against or for incest marriages

Are you trying to compare homosexuality to incest?

Oh my. I better pray on that one.

[Mike F]

Originally posted by albertGQ@Nov 2 2004, 10:42 PM
Well, I've answered your questions, now answer my question whether you are against or for incest marriages

Incest leads to real problems.

The offspring of close relatives have a much, much higher risk of devastating birth defects.

[moon]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Nov 2 2004, 11:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Nov 2 2004, 11:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-moon@Nov 3 2004, 12:42 AM
I do know though. I know that when I think of two men together I don't like it. I know that when I think of two men getting married it doesn't seem right. And I just know that for me I don't support it. That is all I need.

When I see a fat man and a fat women together I don't like it, but they seem happy, why should we care either way? [/b][/quote]
Like i said they can do what they want they just aren't going to get support from me to do it.

If you don't want fat people to marry each other thats cool I couldn't care less. You can have what ever opinions you want.

[albertGQ]

Originally posted by Mike F+Nov 2 2004, 11:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike F @ Nov 2 2004, 11:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-albertGQ@Nov 2 2004, 10:31 PM
Of course not 100%. That is impossible. Mostly I follow it as much as I can. I am human so the ones that are too hard for me to follow I do not. Sometimes temptation is too strong for me. Being against homosexuals is not a hard one for me. so that is why I am against it. Premarital sex is hard to avoid, so I don't even bother trying to follow that rule

Christianity says it's wrong to be homosexual, it doesn't say "be against homosexuals". In fact I believe it says "Love thy neighbour"

So if premarital sex is against Christianity, just like homosexuality; and you say that you can't resist your sin, but you don't have a problem with that, why do you have such a problem with others who can't resist their sin that you feel like you need to prevent them from getting married, which would have no effect on your life? [/b][/quote]
I am not that against it, but IF I had a choice to vote for or against it. I would vote against it.

Would you then favour incest marriages then? Since that doesn't affect you?

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally posted by albertGQ+Nov 3 2004, 12:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (albertGQ @ Nov 3 2004, 12:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I don't think you understand, its not "pro-gay talk" its basically, "oh, these two adult human beings are in love why should I care what they do"

It really isn't a matter of me caring about gay people, I care about them as much as I do a straight person I have never meet, I don't. People who are against gay marriage care alot more for gay people then I do.

Well, I've answered your questions, now answer my question whether you are against or for incest marriages [/b][/quote]
Dont waste your time man. You are not going to get anything out of this clown.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by albertGQ@Nov 3 2004, 12:44 AM
Now are you going to answer my question about incest marriages? You seem to be dodging that question

Why would I answer such an obvious foolish question. Go and compare homosexuality to beastiality next if it makes you feel better, I won't answer that stupid question either.

[Moderator]

In the interest of fairness, Religion-bashing isn't going to be tolerated either.