[News] Waiver Wire Oct 2 - Prosvetov, Kerins clear. Avs claim Solovyov

[D as in David]

They've determined vets need three pre-season games to get ready for the regular season. They've played two so it isn't shocking that they're not ready yet. Think of it like it's the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by ICRed

I know that vets don’t try as hard in preseason. It’s pretty widely known that they mail it in sometimes. Some vets have earned that right. Makar doesn’t need to go full throttle on a Tuesday night preseason game if he doesn’t want to. He just needs to get himself ready however he wants. For most though, I don’t think it’s an acceptable attitude or practice. Call it a fantasy. If our players are complacent with their positioning in the org then that to me says we need new players.

And yet did Kerins out perform them? Not really.

The complacent one was Rory. When Sam and Matvei were busy getting stronger what was Rory doing? If he tried, then hats off to him and sorry it didn't work out.

If he just repeated the same routine as the last few years, then shame on him.

This is an era where an average NHLer will have career earning in the $50 million range. Complacent is getting 99% of the way there and thinking it will be good enough even though your coach has repeatedly told you it isn't. I don't know what more motivation he needs.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Kerins did pleasantly surprise me this camp, but like others have commented, was unable to sustain it.

[dino7c]

He played well against younger players and AHLers

[Reggie Dunlop]

I suspect Prosvetov clears. When that happens call him back up and waive Cooley (who also clears).

That way both can be brought up and sent down over the course of a season.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

And yet did Kerins out perform them? Not really.

The complacent one was Rory. When Sam and Matvei were busy getting stronger what was Rory doing? If he tried, then hats off to him and sorry it didn't work out.

If he just repeated the same routine as the last few years, then shame on him.

This is an era where an average NHLer will have career earning in the $50 million range. Complacent is getting 99% of the way there and thinking it will be good enough even though your coach has repeatedly told you it isn't. I don't know what more motivation he needs.

I thought Kerins has improved tremendously in the offseason. His speed and defensive game have taken some good strides. He was still exposed in the VAN game, but he's looking much closer to an NHLer in both.

The HC himself called him the most improved Flame through his journey with the organization. Huska said he sees him as a top 9 player. I don't think those were idle compliments.

As for what's best for Kerin's development? I don't know. I think that a bad start to the season, or players underperforming will create a big opportunity for several Wranglers.

I still think that putting Miromanov Kirkland and Bean on waivers would've been the better move

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think the only surprise here - at least from my point of view - was Solovyov. I think he played well enough to stick. He is also the only one I am slightly concerned about being claimed - he had a great year last year in the AHL, and I am not sure that went unnoticed. I guess we will see, but I do think he probably does clear.



Kerins looked more and more underwater as the games ramped up. I hope he clears as I think he has made huge strides in his most glaring weakness - his speed. I said it last year that if you are small and slow, the NHL is not for you. Now he just has to get a little stronger, keep getitng a little faster, and hopefully he sticks next time.


Prosvetov was destined for the AHL when the signing happened. I don't think either goalie 'won' a spot, though if I have to split hairs, my vote goes for Prosvetov. He may have looked really good early against lower competition, but Cooley has never looked good at all this preseason. However, I think the organization simply decided to go with whom they are more familiar with. Hopefully Cooley keeps it, or I am sure Prosvetov will get recalled, maybe Say and Sergeev get a shot if things aren't panning out.


I don't think any player that isn't eligible for waivers would make it (outside of Parekh obviously - he would have to look absolutely physically overwhelmed not to get a spot). They would have to significantly out-play the vets. Klapka, Pospisil, whomever - they will get claimed. It would be stupid asset management to just allow them to get claimed. A non-eligible waivers player simply has to show to Conroy that Conroy needs to make room for him, period. Just because you played well doesn't mean that you automatically make the team on day one - it means that the organization now has to make room for you. That's how I have always seen it. You aren't getting rid of an asset when a rookie shines in preseason, only to then looked overwhelmed in the regular season and needing to be sent to the AHL, right? Look at Honzek last season, for instance.


I expect everyone to clear. If any don't, I wish them luck. I will miss Solovyov the most if he gets claimed, but his absolute high water mark MIGHT be a #4 if things work out, but he is most likely a good 5/6 defencemen.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I suspect Prosvetov clears. When that happens call him back up and waive Cooley (who also clears).

That way both can be brought up and sent down over the course of a season.

You’re only exempt for 30 days or 10 games.

[flamesgod]

Could see the Oilers claiming Kerins. They’re hurting for NHLers.

[Toonage]

They’re so late in the list I’m not sure about Edmonton. Wes G thinks Pittsburgh might take a shot. I can absolutely see someone in the middle taking a chance. Don’t think he’ll clear personally

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I thought Kerins has improved tremendously in the offseason. His speed and defensive game have taken some good strides. He was still exposed in the VAN game, but he's looking much closer to an NHLer in both.

The HC himself called him the most improved Flame through his journey with the organization. Huska said he sees him as a top 9 player. I don't think those were idle compliments.

As for what's best for Kerin's development? I don't know. I think that a bad start to the season, or players underperforming will create a big opportunity for several Wranglers.

I still think that putting Miromanov Kirkland and Bean on waivers would've been the better move

I think two things can be true. For example this camp Huska said he improved and also mentioned in another scrum that Rory needs to be stronger/heavier on the puck.

His style of play is best suited to a top 9 role but did not steal a spot, and I think they were there to be stolen.

He either doesn't have what it takes, or won't do what it takes. Let's see what happens tomorrow. If he gets claimed, has a great career, I'll be happy to admit I was wrong. I just don't see it though.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ICRed

I felt strongly that some younger players on the back end, who have either been sent down already or are being waived today, are capable of contributing more to the roster today than those we have kept up. I felt their play in preseason backed that up.

I know that vets don’t try as hard in preseason. It’s pretty widely known that they mail it in sometimes. Some vets have earned that right. Makar doesn’t need to go full throttle on a Tuesday night preseason game if he doesn’t want to. He just needs to get himself ready however he wants. For most though, I don’t think it’s an acceptable attitude or practice. Call it a fantasy. If our players are complacent with their positioning in the org then that to me says we need new players.

OK, but they didn’t. If they did, they’d still be up, but they didn’t. Look at the roster, there are 8 defencemen left. 8 guys, 7 of them vets, fighting for 5-6 spots. A couple were simply not good enough. But those guys might still collect an NHL paycheque simply because sitting in the box doesn’t hurt them, and younger developing guys need to play.

I also don’t think you can just call the vets complacent. They have different goals. Vets are trying to cement a spot on a certain line, that’s about chemistry. Rookies have to prove that chemistry AND prove they’re better than the 2-10 other guys that could play there.

I don’t agree with all the choices, but I still think these broad strokes criticisms because they’re playing Bean over Solo or whatever as the sixth D just come off as reactionary and a bit dramatic. I think Morton outplayed Kirkland, but do I think them being swapped is indicative of some farcical, problematic approach to player development? No man, it’s just a random 4th liner.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Sample00

Forgive me for chiming in here but I am a little frustrated when people call out professional athletes as "garbage".

Ok, maybe the player isnt up to NHL or highest level professional sport status but calling them names like that is just not acceptable in my mind.

These are people, human beings and they deserve to be treated with a certain amount of respect.

It truly bugs me when they get treated with such disrespect.

My two cents.

This is one of the most respectful posts in CP in upwards of a decade. Way to class the place up.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Sample00

Forgive me for chiming in here but I am a little frustrated when people call out professional athletes as "garbage".

Ok, maybe the player isnt up to NHL or highest level professional sport status but calling them names like that is just not acceptable in my mind.

These are people, human beings and they deserve to be treated with a certain amount of respect.

It truly bugs me when they get treated with such disrespect.

My two cents.

Good post. Guy might be just outside of the top 200 defencemen worldwide (8.2 billion people) and people resort to saying stuff like that.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by ICRed

Hey PepsiFree, cant we just talk? Let's relax a little.

I thought your post made a lot of sense

PepsiFree can be a very aggressive and a righteous (even though hes often wrong) forum member. Better to just ignore him when he's in that kind of mood (which is often)

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I think the only surprise here - at least from my point of view - was Solovyov. I think he played well enough to stick. He is also the only one I am slightly concerned about being claimed - he had a great year last year in the AHL, and I am not sure that went unnoticed. I guess we will see, but I do think he probably does clear.

I expect everyone to clear. If any don't, I wish them luck. I will miss Solovyov the most if he gets claimed, but his absolute high water mark MIGHT be a #4 if things work out, but he is most likely a good 5/6 defencemen.

Agree 100%

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I thought your post made a lot of sense

PepsiFree can be a very aggressive and a righteous (even though hes often wrong) forum member. Better to just ignore him when he's in that kind of mood (which is often)

Scary, too. And a big meanie.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Scary, too. And a big meanie.

Agree 100%

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I guess one thing that continues to irk me about the team is their mystifying attachment to certain mediocre players who cannot be displaced for reasons.

Vegas gets a bad rap from the outside but they're cut throat about icing the best team they can, and no one is safe because of it. They'll make whatever moves they need to accommodate that.

Always earned, never given.

Which of Kadri, Frost or Backlund are you trading to make room for Kerins?

Which of Weegar, Bahl, Pachal, Parekh or Hanley are you trading to make room for Kuznetsov/Solovyov? Probably Hanley is the only one here you could fairly make a case that they could look at, but then eventually once they get the right deal to move Andersson you want Hanley back.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Which of Kadri, Frost or Backlund are you trading to make room for Kerins?

Which of Weegar, Bahl, Pachal, Parekh or Hanley are you trading to make room for Kuznetsov/Solovyov? Probably Hanley is the only one here you could fairly make a case that they could look at, but then eventually once they get the right deal to move Andersson you want Hanley back.

The team needs upgrade everywhere, there are plenty of room

Whether those prospects are worth the upgrade is the question. They are apparently not