Rasmus Andersson watch — Will he stay or will he go?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Fans complain about boring players are but then complain when they actually say something honest
Moreover he was asked specific questions which he answered

You can easily answer like Huberdeau did that the players don't care about the draft pick, and they want to win. He even made a joke. But he came off bitter and calling people not fans because they wanted a higher draft.

You may have a few who are just negative, but everyone wants to win and cheered the team on the win. I want a rebuild and I have my views that doesn't make me any less of a fan, I cheer win or lose. It was a dumb comment by a player who had a disastrous season.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

"Rasmus you were pathetic this season and I think you owe the fans an apology. Your thoughts?"

Ummm you can still ask a honest, critical question in a professional manner.

"This season hasn't gone the way you would have wanted. Do you have any message for the fans?"

"This season has been a tough one for you. What are your thoughts?"

It's an end of season interview- that's literally the point of the whole thing.

But sure- defend away.

[dustygoon]

I for one am bummed to hear Rasmus is likely leaving us. I think he is a great leader, great character and when healthy is a great all around defenseman. Down year....it's gonna hurt losing him.

[CliffFletcher]

The problem with a lot of potential destinations for Andersson is they wouldn’t be able to fit him into their long-term salary structure. Some potential landing spots (MIN, STL, UTA, WIN) have two RD locked up at $5 mil+ beyond next season. Even with the cap going up, teams will be reluctant to pay a guy that much to play on the third pairing. Others (DET) have a blue-chip RD prospect in the system that Andersson would be blocking with a long-term deal. There’s also the problem that most of the top contenders in the league (COL, DAL, FLA, TBL, TOR) don’t have a first round pick in either the 2025 or 2026 drafts.

There will probably only be 3-4 real suitors for Andersson, and half of them will be looking at him as a one-season rental.

[PepsiFree]

Hope Zayne is taking notes. It’s not going to matter if he’s the next Makar with that personality of his. The 10% are a fickle, noisy, bitter bunch eager to run just about anyone out of town.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think if he is not in the long term plans, you really should trade him before the season starts. I don't want to see a situation where the Flames are a bubble team and making the decision difficult as the deadline approaches.

Plus, I think it would be more fair to Andersson to give him a full season with a new team that may want him longer term so he can start building up some goodwill there for negotiating an extension. If it is stability he wants, it would be more helpful than to trade him at the deadline as a rental just for him to have to move on again quickly.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hope Zayne is taking notes. It’s not going to matter if he’s the next Makar with that personality of his. The 10% are a fickle, noisy, bitter bunch eager to run just about anyone out of town.

I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it.

It wasn't the message. It was the person who delivered it.

I would have no issue if Kadri, Huberdeau, Weegar or Backlund said the same thing.

The fact that Andersson is the one making that statement after the horrendous season he just had is strongly indicative that he's delusional. He's always talked a big game, but prior to this season, he was able to back it up... so it was fine. Don't have an embarrassing season relative to your teammates and then be calling out fans.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hope Zayne is taking notes. It’s not going to matter if he’s the next Makar with that personality of his. The 10% are a fickle, noisy, bitter bunch eager to run just about anyone out of town.

No one is running him out of town because of his comments; we want him gone because he is a declining player looking for a payday.

Most people here loved his personality and defended him during the WJC.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You can easily answer like Huberdeau did that the players don't care about the draft pick, and they want to win. He even made a joke. But he came off bitter and calling people not fans because they wanted a higher draft.

You may have a few who are just negative, but everyone wants to win and cheered the team on the win. I want a rebuild and I have my views that doesn't make me any less of a fan, I cheer win or lose. It was a dumb comment by a player who had a disastrous season.

From a player POV if you are cheering for the team to lose, I can appreciate why they don't think you are a fan.

If every player said the same thing it would be quite dull wouldn't it?

It wasn't a dumb comment. It was an honest one.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it.

It wasn't the message. It was the person who delivered it.

I would have no issue if Kadri, Huberdeau, Weegar or Backlund said the same thing.

The fact that Andersson is the one making that statement after the horrendous season he just had is strongly indicative that he's delusional. He's always talked a big game, but prior to this season, he was able to back it up... so it was fine. Don't have an embarrassing season relative to your teammates and then be calling out fans.

Don’t call yourself a fan and then spit on the homegrown guy who loved putting on the jersey and playing for the fans and gave you 500+ games of entertainment and giving it everything on his way out because he had a bad season.

All this talk of being delusional, lacking emotional intelligence, and not being honest just reeks of desperate projection to be honest. It’s embarrassing to read. He called your type out and your response is to trash him on a personal level. Be better. It’s gross.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hope Zayne is taking notes. It’s not going to matter if he’s the next Makar with that personality of his. The 10% are a fickle, noisy, bitter bunch eager to run just about anyone out of town.

I mean Raz could have just said this.

"You know guys I'm just focused on next season and getting better. We had a goal to make the playoffs and didn't reach it and we all need to be accountable for that and put in a full 82 games next year. I love being a Flame and hopefully we can come to an agreement that makes sense for both parties".

yawn.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Ummm you can still ask a honest, critical question in a professional manner.

"This season hasn't gone the way you would have wanted. Do you have any message for the fans?"

"This season has been a tough one for you. What are your thoughts?"

It's an end of season interview- that's literally the point of the whole thing.

But sure- defend away.

Boring questions elicit boring responses.
You seemed to think he owed you some sort of apology. Most fans wanted to know about his future. That was the story of the day.

If he can come out and said "Yeah you know it was a rough season, and I'm going to focus on being better next year".

Great.
feel better? Because you can go back and listen to hundreds of garbage bag day interviews where guys say cliche and empty stuff like that.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Don’t call yourself a fan and then spit on the homegrown guy who loved putting on the jersey and playing for the fans and gave you 500+ games of entertainment and giving it everything on his way out because he had a bad season.

To be honest---- don't care. At this point, people like you are overvaluing what he brought to the franchise. He's not Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk etc.

He was a top 4 guy who topped out at 50 pts. Hanifin also played 420 games for the Flames. You miss him a lot? Or is it that he wasn't drafted by the Flames? Some people are so attached to non-superstar players.

He's had his tenure. Move him out. That's what is best for the franchise -- front of the jersey.

[Five-hole]

It's amusing that many of the people who want to trade him are also the ones arguing how terrible he was. If that was true don't you think every other team in the league is also aware of that and the value will be commensurate with it? Can't have it both ways.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

To be honest---- don't care. At this point, people like you are overvaluing what he brought to the franchise. He's not Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk etc.

He was a top 4 guy who topped out at 50 pts. Hanifin also played 420 games for the Flames. You miss him a lot? Or is it that he wasn't drafted by the Flames? Some people are so attached to non-superstar players.

He's had his tenure. Move him out. That's what is best for the franchise -- front of the jersey.

There’s nothing wrong with holding that position. But if you’re going to practice what you preach and be honest with yourself, you know as well as I do that’s not the issue.

If you can’t stand behind your words, don’t say them.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Boring questions elicit boring responses.
You seemed to think he owed you some sort of apology. Most fans wanted to know about his future. That was the story of the day.

If he can come out and said "Yeah you know it was a rough season, and I'm going to focus on being better next year".

Great.
feel better? Because you can go back and listen to hundreds of garbage bag day interviews where guys say cliche and empty stuff like that.

But you think what he said was refreshing? It was a pretty stupid take imo.

Whatever your take is on direction of the franchise as a fan - is your own personal opinion to have.

Let's take 2 season ticket holders for examples. All else being the same - differ on their opinion of the future trajectory of the franchise. One wants the team to continue to win etc and the other wants the team to tank. It's like voting- each person gets 1 vote. One vote isn't more valuable than the other. No matter who anyone votes for.

Per Andersson's definition, he's bucketed one of those STH's as not a real fan into that 10%. It's an obscenely ridiculous and condescending take - ONE that I have on good authority was NOT appreciated by the organization. I'll leave it at that.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

But you think what he said was refreshing? It was a pretty stupid take imo.

Whatever your take is on direction of the franchise as a fan - is your own personal opinion to have.

Let's take 2 season ticket holders for examples. All else being the same - differ on their opinion of the future trajectory of the franchise. One wants the team to continue to win etc and the other wants the team to tank. It's like voting- each person gets 1 vote. One vote isn't more valuable than the other. No matter who anyone votes for.

Per Andersson's definition, he's bucketed one of those STH's as not a real fan into that 10%. It's an obscenely ridiculous and condescending take - ONE that I have on good authority was NOT appreciated by the organization. I'll leave it at that.

I thought he was honest, as he's always been. If you want cliche scripted answers then there are plenty of those.

I don't think fans wanting a re-build are lesser fans, though I find it odd that any fan actively roots for their team to lose, but whatever. But I also appreciate why the players on the team would not consider them to be fans. It's a perfectly valid opinion given the position they are in.

So know I don't consider it "obscenely ridiculous". Good grief what an over-reaction.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The Flames need to do what’s best for us. A lesson was learned from Johnny and Matthew. You can’t get attached to these guys. It’s all about what’s best for the team and IMO that is moving on from Andersson. We have been caught up in the sentimental stuff too much at times and yeah it sucks losing players especially home grown ones but winning over everything.

Vegas chucks away players like garbage and no one blinks an eye. I know markets are different etc etc but money and winning will always draw guys.

[Red Potato Standing By]

But how do you move on when he is so terrible? If you and a couple of other guys on a message board can see it don’t you think people paid to do the job would see the same thing?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The Flames need to do what’s best for us. A lesson was learned from Johnny and Matthew. You can’t get attached to these guys. It’s all about what’s best for the team and IMO that is moving on from Andersson. We have been caught up in the sentimental stuff too much at times and yeah it sucks losing players especially home grown ones but winning over everything.

Vegas chucks away players like garbage and no one blinks an eye. I know markets are different etc etc but money and winning will always draw guys.

There’s no suggestion the team is doing that, and as for fans, it would be extremely weird if fans didn’t get attached to players.