[PGT] Flames lose 4-3 to Blackhawks

[GioforPM]

No one in this thread argues that Zadorov was the team’s best defenceman. I mentioned him to argue that selling him and Toffoli plus playing rookies plus running a substandard bottom pairing indicated the team is rebuilding or retooling or whatever you want to call it.

The Flames didn’t trade Zadorov because they thought they’d play better as a team without him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No one in this thread argues that Zadorov was the team’s best defenceman. I mentioned him to argue that selling him and Toffoli plus playing rookies plus running a substandard bottom pairing indicated the team is rebuilding or retooling or whatever you want to call it.

sure, and I agree

this was an ongoing debate

some posters thought they would miss Zadorov a lot, I did not and don't think they have. Obviously when Gilbert goes down now too you are going to have a serious depth problem.

but that is all Zadorov is, depth

IMO and I can't stress this enough IMO

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Not necessarily, but why pretend in front of the cameras? Who are we pandering to?

Are they doing the "nothing to see here" meme to the casual audience in a pitiful attempt to keep from driving them away?

Even the casuals can see you're losing to a #### team.

The whole "sell playoff hope until we trade our guys, then keep selling playoff hope" approach is rather pathetic. There's an air of desperation to it and it also makes the team come off delusional and sets them up to be a laughing stock with fans and behind closed doors.

I'm no fan of the Rangers, but when they put out that open letter to the fanbase to announce their intention to rebuild, they had my respect for making that move. Shows intellectual honesty and a willingness to admit where they were and that they weren't going to settle but accept the pain of the moves necessary to improve long term. But most of all, that they weren't going to BS their fans into false delusions.

I wish the Flames had the stones to do the same. Instead, they're going about it the prolonged, cowardly way, which is rightfully opening them up to criticism.

They could save face with these losses if they'd formally announced a rebuild. Whose going to #### on a team that's labeled themselves as rebuilding? No one.

But since the Flames are so called "playoff hopefuls!" according to their own brass, they're going to get #### on for losses like this to an AHL squad.

All this from the Maloney interview?

Sorry but you have to be leaning into wanting to be upset to get to this point.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

sure, and I agree

this was an ongoing debate

some posters thought they would miss Zadorov a lot, I did not and don't think they have. Obviously when Gilbert goes down now too you are going to have a serious depth problem.

but that is all Zadorov is, depth

IMO and I can't stress this enough IMO

actually I think we've all had enough with you stressing it!

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Baloney from Maloney. He's just covering up for his boss who decided to hire a guy he couldn't keep, then pay him to leave, then screw the team for the next two year trying to hang on to fans in the seats by cheaping out on management and coaching.


This team is a disaster. And so is the owner.


Billboard time? Collection from CP to send a message?

start a facebook group and then protest the CSEC offices.

I'm sure tonnes of people will show up

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Are people really taking that Maloney interview seriously?

He's not going to come right out and tell everyone their plans. That would be pretty dumb. They're sellers. He knows it, we know it. Doesn't matter what he says.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

actually I think we've all had enough with you stressing it!

You have radar on everytime I post so...if you've had enough stop responding

I knew no matter what happened

if they won or stayed the same it would be because of something else
had they lost 10 in a row it would be "you see they miss Zadorov"

Zadorov is an average NHLer depth dman, nothing more and nothing less

thank the maker they didn't sign him long term and we will take the picks

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

so if they win the next 2 games I am right?

I never said better team, I said better record

I think outside of this past weekend most fans would agree the Flames have played better hockey in the last month or so against tough competition

Their record without Zadorov would then be better than with him.

And that point would still remain meaningless as you continue to try and argue that everyone else is fixated on Zadorov.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You have radar on everytime I post so...if you've had enough stop responding

I knew no matter what happened

if they won or stayed the same it would be because of something else
had they lost 10 in a row it would be "you see they miss Zadorov"

Zadorov is an average NHLer depth dman, nothing more and nothing less

thank the maker they didn't sign him long term and we will take the picks

You post 1100 times a day, you're hard to miss!

I'm not selling Zadorov as a key missing piece. I never have.

I only going as far as to suggest the team has to be weaker with him gone and his substandard replacements in place.

That's it.

[Yeah_Baby]

I can't wait for the next trade we can argue about that all day several games later

[traptor]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Are people really taking that Maloney interview seriously?

He's not going to come right out and tell everyone their plans. That would be pretty dumb. They're sellers. He knows it, we know it. Doesn't matter what he says.

I just don't understand why come out and say anything at all then.

It's not like they're forced into those interviews. They did it intentionally.

The messaging isn't consistent with what most Fans believe they should do. Infact it trends the opposite way.

It seems like a misguided attempt to calm fan worries.

The team lost two playoffs last year, signed the worst contract in the NHL, missed playoffs last year and are trending to miss playoffs again hovering around .500 at the bottom of the wildcard pact.

Fans don't want to hear about how you want to keep all these guys.

[Strange Brew]

Maloney isn't some great public speaker and chances are this wasn't something he was all that prepared for. I really don't believe there was much of an intentional message being delivered at all.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You post 1100 times a day, you're hard to miss!

I'm not selling Zadorov as a key missing piece. I never have.

I only going as far as to suggest the team has to be weaker with him gone and his substandard replacements in place.

That's it.

you should be able to check my post history pretty easy, I don't post that often anymore

you suggested a massive hole when the deal was made

also you want less posting on this site lol

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by traptor

I just don't understand why come out and say anything at all then.

It's not like they're forced into those interviews. They did it intentionally.

The messaging isn't consistent with what most Fans believe they should do. Infact it trends the opposite way.

It seems like a misguided attempt to calm fan worries.

The team lost two playoffs last year, signed the worst contract in the NHL, missed playoffs last year and are trending to miss playoffs again hovering around .500 at the bottom of the wildcard pact.

Fans don't want to hear about how you want to keep all these guys.

Francis didn't go on the road trip so they have 5 minutes to fill every game and with that we've seen every colour commentator in the business interviewed.

So they ask Maloney, and he doesn't want to do a "we suck!" interview and says stuff.

Honestly nothing to see here.

[SuperMatt18]

I actually think it's for the trade market more

Flames don't like that since the offseason the narrative has been "These players want out, Flames have to move them" because it limits their flexibility and negotiating power.

The whole "we might re-sign these players", and "we might keep them if we're close enough to the playoffs" narrative IMO is to try to enhance the Flames negotiating position.

Allows the Flames to feel like maybe they hold more of the cards, whether that will work or not remains to be seen. For Lindholm his play has been poor enough that it's out the window...but for Tanev/Hanifin there is still enough uncertainty to think "maybe the Flames do want to re-sign them still" that I think it's being used as part of negotiation tactics.

Especially for Hanifin specifically who maybe has a smaller list of places he is open to re-signing in, with Calgary being on that list.

[Enoch Root]

Maloney's comments were platitudes, nothing more.

If you were actually thinking about signing your UFAs, you say "our first priority is to sign these guys, if possible"

When you aren't planning on signing them, you say "we'd love to be able to sign everyone, but we can't"

That's as negative of a statement as you will ever get from a team president, in a casual interview

[dino7c]

Hanifin is 20% singed 80% traded (either is a good result)
the rest are 95% traded 5% incase of injury or something

people need to relax, the Flames aren't about to sign everyone and trade their first for Duclair

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you should be able to check my post history pretty easy, I don't post that often anymore

you suggested a massive hole when the deal was made

also you want less posting on this site lol

I said massive?

Sure don't remember that.

Had a quick look and couldn't find it, but could have been worded differently with the same intent.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you should be able to check my post history pretty easy, I don't post that often anymore

you suggested a massive hole when the deal was made

also you want less posting on this site lol

Lol, you have a hundred posts in the last four days.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Lol, you have a hundred posts in the last four days.

1000 posts a day? I have a bunch today home all day without any work to do

I post 10 times a day average
you post 4

my average has been declining steadily

maybe I should go post about Bitcoin though right, $3000 peak bubble and all