[News] Mike Babcock resigning as Columbus Blue Jackets Head Coach

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Shots fired....

I wouldn’t say it was bad. It’s clear the organization came to a mutual agreement with the guy whereby there was a negotiation and agreement to him stepping down. It’s hardly a pat on the back. I truly wish scum could be thrown under the bus but organizations tend to play these things safe to not be sued. Nothing to read into.

[Vedder]

Being a hockey insider is completely transactional. Safe to say Jarmo isn’t a source for Frank and he won’t be sad to see him leave.

[saillias]

I wonder what Gaudreau was actually thinking. he has a roughly 1 in 2 head coach tyrant rate so Babcock being a freak and overstepping boundaries might just be normal to him

[Paulie Walnuts]

I read that from the presser that Jarmo apologized to the team this morning for hiring Babcock.

What a disaster lol.

Wasn't Vincent a top candidate for our head coaching job as well?

[the-rasta-masta]

Really interesting hearing what's been reported in the media vs what came out of some of the players mouths themselves.

I remember hearing once that there are usually three sides to a story, your story, my story, and the truth, which usually lies somewhere in between.

Perhaps the situation wasn't as bad as the reporting that Babcock actually took a players phone and cast it up to a big screen. It would seem that would be an invasion of privacy in the workplace that could result in termination with cause? Since that wasn't the case and there was a negotiation, perhaps the actual situation was more as was described by Gaudreau and Jenner, (maybe still super weird and inappropriate, but not to the level that's been described, and maybe not a fireable offence) but the whole furor about things actually was creating a distraction that Babcock knew he had wouldn't have buy in from all the players with everything that had been said.

Long story short, the fact that he wasn't fired but negotiated some of resignation, leads me to believe that things weren't as bad as the worst stories, but not as innocent as the Gaudreau and Jenner comments. This might explain Jarmo's comments thanking Babcock's professionalism in negotiating his exit.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Jarmo said they have a complex relationship between players and management and they are not always comfortable coming to him with problems.

That may be an issue and a big one.

Brad created a environment that the players had a great relationship with him. I think thats why he looked as stunned when Johnny lied to him last year.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I wouldn’t say it was bad. It’s clear the organization came to a mutual agreement with the guy whereby there was a negotiation and agreement to him stepping down. It’s hardly a pat on the back. I truly wish scum could be thrown under the bus but organizations tend to play these things safe to not be sued. Nothing to read into.

What are you saying? You "wouldn't say it was bad" what Seravelli said? He just curbed Jarmo and management and the city in that article. He isn't getting an interview with them anytime soon.

Or you mean you "wouldn't say it was bad" in reference to the team's response? Their press release (mngt's and owner's) never said a thing about team values, culture, making it a great place for players and staff to work and play, family, etc. Nothing that supported existing folks. Just talked about professionalism, distraction, mutual agreement, disappointment, growth and progress on the ice, etc. It's a PR whiff.

And sued for what? What damages? Obviously Babs agreed to forego some salary in exchange for that press release saying mutual agreement vs fired and a separation letter (agree not to sue each other). So no lawsuit is coming there. Or you mean a lawsuit from players?

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Hold up, lets clarify your personal paid phone is this. Do not assume your work phone is the same. Its not.

I know you probably did not mean this, but man the things I have seen people try and do on and with company property.

Agreed, 100%, and clearly not the situation at hand, when we are discussing player personal phones.


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[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

Agreed, 100%, and clearly not the situation at hand, when we are discussing player personal phones.


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Are they personal? I would think so but maybe they are paid for? They definitely require one for the job. Getting calls about trades or being sent up or down. I'd say its a requirement for the job. But who knows how it works in the NHL.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Are they personal? I would think so but maybe they are paid for? They definitely require one for the job. Getting calls about trades or being sent up or down. I'd say its a requirement for the job. But who knows how it works in the NHL.

None of them are employees though. They're all contractors.
In fact, I would say the fact that you can be traded or sent down at any minute is about the strongest argument you could make to not have a team issued/owned phone.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

None of them are employees though. They're all contractors.
In fact, I would say the fact that you can be traded or sent down at any minute is about the strongest argument you could make to not have a team issued/owned phone.

I didn't know they were contractors.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

None of them are employees though. They're all contractors.
In fact, I would say the fact that you can be traded or sent down at any minute is about the strongest argument you could make to not have a team issued/owned phone.

Pretty sure they are considered unionized employees and not independent contractors.

And I think it can vary...I know that the Flames had a contract with one of the telecom providers at one point to provide discounted phones for the players but not sure that would classify as an employer provided phone.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Really interesting hearing what's been reported in the media vs what came out of some of the players mouths themselves.

I remember hearing once that there are usually three sides to a story, your story, my story, and the truth, which usually lies somewhere in between.

Perhaps the situation wasn't as bad as the reporting that Babcock actually took a players phone and cast it up to a big screen. It would seem that would be an invasion of privacy in the workplace that could result in termination with cause? Since that wasn't the case and there was a negotiation, perhaps the actual situation was more as was described by Gaudreau and Jenner, (maybe still super weird and inappropriate, but not to the level that's been described, and maybe not a fireable offence) but the whole furor about things actually was creating a distraction that Babcock knew he had wouldn't have buy in from all the players with everything that had been said.

Long story short, the fact that he wasn't fired but negotiated some of resignation, leads me to believe that things weren't as bad as the worst stories, but not as innocent as the Gaudreau and Jenner comments. This might explain Jarmo's comments thanking Babcock's professionalism in negotiating his exit.

Ya it's hard to find the exact words here, but I think there is a good chance that the situation was simply untenable for him to remain as coach. He certainly did something inappropriate, but it seems plausible that it was a thing that would be classed moderately inappropriate (ie. not quite fireable) in most situations - but obviously there is too much baggage here

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Jarmo said they have a complex relationship between players and management and they are not always comfortable coming to him with problems.

That may be an issue and a big one.

Brad created a environment that the players had a great relationship with him. I think thats why he looked as stunned when Johnny lied to him last year.

No different than any other workplace...it's rarely as simple as walking into your boss's boss office to complain about something...

Originally Posted by fotze2

Are they personal? I would think so but maybe they are paid for? They definitely require one for the job. Getting calls about trades or being sent up or down. I'd say its a requirement for the job. But who knows how it works in the NHL.

It must have been so hard to operate in the 90s and earlier when you just had to hope that you caught a player on their landline. I guess that's why there were never ever any trades

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by fotze2

I didn't know they were contractors.

It goes along with the part of signing a term contract.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by fotze2

I didn't know they were contractors.

Maybe there are some weird subtleties, but I presume it's not a normal employer/employee relationship, considering the contracts they sign, and the fact that they can be traded etc.

In any case, if I was an NHL player, no way in hell would I only have a team owned phone.

[Yeah_Baby]

man, several of you are pretty grumpy today.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Pretty sure they are considered unionized employees and not independent contractors.

And I think it can vary...I know that the Flames had a contract with one of the telecom providers at one point to provide discounted phones for the players but not sure that would classify as an employer provided phone.

Yeah, I can get a company discount on a phone from my employer too, but it's still my phone, I just get a deal on it.

[FanIn80]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1703513951701491731

[GioforPM]

Generally, athletes who play in professional sports leagues, such as the NHL, the National Basketball Association (NBA), and Major League Baseball, are considered employees.

https://www.dwpv.com/en/People/-/med...ed%20employees.