[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Good thing we gassed the coach that made all of that possible.

IDK, I don't think overplaying the fourth line, not playing young guys dominating other leagues, and insulting the players helped much this time around.

Hopefully Huska keeps the defensive structure (in the D zone) and the players actually want to play for him. Plus an injection of youth.

Huberdeau in his proper position with proper ice time and proper line mates all season!

Wolf in goal or whoever else if Markstrom keeps ####ting the bed instead of giving him 82 games to work out the kinks.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Conroy made it very clear in his presser he would deal with all with them one way or another so I'm not sure that's a negative at this point.

Did anyone else think that quote by Conroy showed inexperience and naivete. Easy to say "would never let that happen to me" and then what. Say this happens. Offers in summer are ****, teams have no cap, which is only going up by 1 mil again, the players are non-committal. Then the season starts, the team is good again, there's pressure for playoff revenue, the UFAs agents are telling you they don't want to talk contract in season, and Edwards/Bean are in his ear saying we want that playoff revenue when the trade deadline comes around. Not so easy.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Absolutely. Tons of risk and cost by the flames. Even if Carlson became a franchise player, his cap hit would essentially be $5 to $7 million dollars for the first 3 years (his entry level AAV + the retained salary from Lindholm). And then his second contract would be even more of a crazy cap hit… just think if Carlson was so good he was signed for $10 million per year in his second NHL contract - his effective cap hit would actually be $14.5 million per year.

That’s why it’s more of a hypothetical… I understand why Calgary would not do something like this… it’s more a question of if Columbus says no and what level of salary retention would make them switch from no to yes? Does Columbus say yes to Lindholm at a $4.5 million AAV for 8 years in exchange for 3rd overall?

Does Washington, Detroit or St. Louis say no to Hanifin at $3.5 million AAV for 8 years in exchange for 8th, 9th or 10 overall, respectively?

On the topic of salary retention… can teams retain salary on only select years of a traded contract? For example… retaining 50% of the salary each year for the first 3 years and then only 10% for the remains years? Not sure if that is allowed.


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Retention has to be for every year of the contract for the same amount.

[Badgers Nose]

Thanks Friedge. LOL

Pretty sure teams have always asked about Hanifin. The kids a top pairing d on a good contract and hasn’t even peaked yet. How many veteran players with that many games under his belt are on the right side of 28?

Even if only for a year, he is worth a LOT. Especially for the Flames so any deal would have to be a heck of an offer to move him.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by dino7c

IDK, I don't think overplaying the fourth line, not playing young guys dominating other leagues, and insulting the players helped much this time around.

Hopefully Huska keeps the defensive structure (in the D zone) and the players actually want to play for him. Plus an injection of youth.

Huberdeau in his proper position with proper ice time and proper line mates all season!

Wolf in goal or whoever else if Markstrom keeps ####ting the bed instead of giving him 82 games to work out the kinks.

We likely score more next year but end up with a worse GA/GF so less wins...20th overall feels right.

Hopefully they lean into it and manage their assets well at the draft and don't wait till the deadline.

[Erick Estrada]

IMO Hanafin should be higher priority than Lindholm. At 26 years old he will be top 4 for this organization for the balance of this decade and will make for a good bridge player when they have to rebuild. All the other pending UFA's represent diminishing returns over the course of the contracts.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Thanks Friedge. LOL

Pretty sure teams have always asked about Hanifin. The kids a top pairing d on a good contract and hasn’t even peaked yet. How many veteran players with that many games under his belt are on the right side of 28?

Even if only for a year, he is worth a LOT. Especially for the Flames so any deal would have to be a heck of an offer to move him.

I thought the same, and suddenly that comment turned into “the Flames are looking to move Hanifin”.

[CFO]

For hanafin it will come down to $$$. Assuming Andersson is extended next year - can you run with 3 D whose combined cap will be around $20mm

[ForeverFlameFan]

While I agree it makes a lot of sense to keep Hanifin, I don't want a player who is a no show come playoff time. We aquired Weegar, sell Hanifin while his value is still high. Weegar and Andersson will do fine as the top pairing for a long time.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

While I agree it makes a lot of sense to keep Hanifin, I don't want a player who is a no show come playoff time. We aquired Weegar, sell Hanifin while his value is still high. Weegar and Andersson will do fine as the top pairing for a long time.

This is the only problem I have with Hanifin, his playoff performances have been fairly underwhelming. That could be due to his age and something he can iron out but still, a questionmark for me.

[Toonage]

I like Hanifin, I've always advocated to keep him, but it feels like that just isn't in the cards.

If I have one complaint about his play, its how he seems to handle pressure. That said, given his age, I think he'd only get better with that but I could be wrong. Will be a shame to see him go but at this point in time it feels to me like all of our soon to be free agents will be going.

[Vinny01]

If Hanifin were willing to do the same or a very similar deal as Weegar I would be happy to keep him but I just can’t see it. He is a big body, smooth skating Dman who was a top 5 pick and will be a 27 year old UFA. He has scored 86pts over the last 2 years and is starting to realize some of the offensive upside that was discussed leading up to his draft.

If Severson is getting the same deal, and the cap is going up I think it will be $7M or more to get Noah signed and I am not sure that makes sense for the Flames. I would rather try and get Kylington on a 5-6 year deal around 4-5.5M while also ensuring Andersson is a life long flame.

Dealing Hanifin and Lindholm makes so much sense to me for the long term of this franchise. Call me crazy but I think they could move those 2 and still be in a decent spot to compete for the playoffs if Huberdeau, Mangiapane, and Markstrom are able to have significant bounce back years.

[sureLoss]

on the 32 thoughts podcast Friedman says there is a ton of interest in Hanifin and he thinks Calgary will be able to make a good trade

[Jason14h]

How anyone thinks Kylington is going to step in (if he even plays) and take over Hanifins role is beyond me .

The myth of the skill of Kylington grows everyday . He was a exciting, prone to error 4/5 type D who looked good playing with an elite shutdown D in Tanev

I fully suppose trading Hanifin because I don’t think he is actually capable of playing on a top pairing as he constantly gets exposed by top talent , but it will leave the Flames with a large hole

This teams window is closed and they need to be realistic and start rebuilding , and I’m not sure a 30 year old Hanifinis neeeded when the Flames should be reentering a competitive window in 3-4 years

[NewFan]

For me, we should try to look where will be this team after 3 seasons.
If you think Hanifin will help us to become a contender team and he is cap hit is affordable that time, sure extend him with a salary he deserve.
Or trade him with high return which give a really good opportunity to find future core players who will start help us after 3 years.

[Major Major]

The issue I have is the Dman slotting. You could maybe say that the Flames have 4 top 4 day post Hanifin trade, but 3 of them should be on the right side, and the 4th is marginal in kylington or Zadorov. You need to bring in another left shot D as there is nothing in the system. I love the idea of Girard in a Lindholm trade, but UFA is sketchy as hell. That being said, if Ghost were cheap, I would entertain it.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by CFO

For hanafin it will come down to $$$. Assuming Andersson is extended next year - can you run with 3 D whose combined cap will be around $20mm

Flames cannot even try to sign Rasmus under July 1, 2025 (two years from now). He is another example of how locking down your RFA's for as long as possible works almost all the time.

You also certainly can run with a top 3 that makes around 20 million. Vegas has a top 3 that makes 20 million. Dallas has a top 3 that makes about 20 million. There are a number of good teams that have 20 million in their top 3 dmen.

Hanifin - Anderson
Kylington - Weeger

That should be a decent top 4 if the Flames decide to go with it. I would much rather trade Lindholm, Toffoli, Backlund (basically any of the tradeable forwards) and sign Hanifin if I had the choice.

[Erick Estrada]

It took a long time for Kylington to hit his stride. Taking a year off may set him back and it's possible he never gets back on track so it's pretty risky to slot him in the top 4 automatically.

[btimbit]

I really love Hanifin, but I think it's safe to assume that based on Conroy's comments about reaching out to all the upcoming UFA's to see where they're at, that Hanifin might have indicated to him that he's not too enthusiastic about re-signing. If that's the case, yeah, definitely trade him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It took a long time for Kylington to hit his stride. Taking a year off may set him back and it's possible he never gets back on track so it's pretty risky to slot him in the top 4 automatically.

Ideally the team is able to shift Weegar to the right side but I am not sure I see it right now. Sure if they keep Hanifin it could make sense but if they move him they can always play Weegar on the left side and then Kylington/Zadorov is the second pairing left D playing with Tanev I am okay with that.