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Old 05-27-2023, 01:16 PM   #201
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Nice to see a display of perfect 20/20 hindsight.
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Old 05-27-2023, 01:17 PM   #202
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Bennett is going to win a Stanley Cup as a #1 centre.

(we'll then find out that Barkov has had a broken foot for months)

But still, hard to find two more overlooked players by this fanbase than Matthew Tkachuk and Sam Bennett. Loads of idiotic takes over the years:

"Lindholm is the one who does the heavy lifting"

No, it was Tkachuk.

"Tkachuk needs to cut that fancy crap out - stop trying between the legs"

No, that's elite skill in specific situations.

"Bennett has poor hockey IQ"

No, he does not. He takes penalties sometimes - true, but you want a player physically engaged - not someone coasting around playing a perimeter game which is what this team suffers from and has suffered from.

"Bennett doesn't use his teammates"

When you play a promising player with the likes of Brouwer and Jankowski, of course he's going to try and dangle through everyone - you've stapled two anchors to his hip.

Calgary Flames should have built their team around Tkachuk, Gaudreau, and Bennett as leaders, not Monahan, Backlund, and Giordano.
You had me until that last line. Leaders emerge, they are not appointed. You become a leader by actually leading. The only two leaders on that list IMO are Tkachuk and Gio.

Then you have to consider what the leader's message is. Clearly in that regard, Tkachuk's message is a better because he is a better winner than Gio.

He wanted a leadership role on this team and tried to impose that. IMO this team's players and maybe even coaches didn't like Tkachuk's message, about half way through his biggest season with the Flames it seemed like he was told to cut it out - stop being a personality, don't be authentic, just blend in. From that point on he seemed workmanlike (still producing awesome numbers), did his job and I bet it was then that he said screw it, I gotta go somewhere else.

That's just opinion, before the chorus of 'you have no proof' 'you weren't in the room' blah blah blah.
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Old 05-27-2023, 01:18 PM   #203
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If something happened that made Brady want out or if he was bridged and had some control, he might have the same preferences. Let’s face it, most players do. That is why you cater to players while you can and lock them up long term.
The Sens made Brady captain and overpaid him for a long term contact. Brady had 46 pts.

That didn’t happen with Matt

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Old 05-27-2023, 01:19 PM   #204
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You had me until that last line. Leaders emerge, they are not appointed. You become a leader by actually leading. The only two leaders on that list IMO are Tkachuk and Gio.

Then you have to consider what the leader's message is. Clearly in that regard, Tkachuk's message is a better because he is a better winner than Gio.

He wanted a leadership role on this team and tried to impose that. IMO this team's players and maybe even coaches didn't like Tkachuk's message, about half way through his biggest season with the Flames it seemed like he was told to cut it out - stop being a personality, don't be authentic, just blend in. From that point on he seemed workmanlike (still producing awesome numbers), did his job and I bet it was then that he said screw it, I gotta go somewhere else.

That's just opinion, before the chorus of 'you have no proof' 'you weren't in the room' blah blah blah.
The bad taste left by Gio probably factored more into Chucky's decision to leave than Sutter.

Effing ridiculous that Tkachuk who lived rent free in the opposition's heads would lose it after a Muzzin fired puck after the game.
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The Sens made Brady captain and overpaid him for a long term contact. Brady had 46 pts.

That didn’t happen with Matt
They didn’t overpay him. They tried to use foresight to pay him as the player they think he will be. Just like what Buffalo did with Thompson or the Edmonton did with Draisaitl. Whether or not Brady lives up to it.up for debate but I personally don’t think he is grossly overpaid. It’s not all about points after all. It’s better to give a good young player the benefit of doubt to get them locked up in their prime than to over play an older player near the end of their prime knowing with reasonable certainty that the tail end of the contract will be awful.

For whatever reason, Treliving either didn’t have this foresight or thought he could overplay his hand. That’s 100% on him.
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They didn’t overpay him. They tried to use foresight to pay him as the player they think he will be. Just like what Buffalo did with Thompson or the Edmonton did with Draisaitl. Whether or not Brady lives up to they is up for debate but I personally don’t think he is grossly overpaid. It’s not all about points after all.

For whatever reason, Treliving either didn’t have this foresight or thought he could overplay his hand. That’s 100% on him.
At the time Brady didn’t even have 50pts

Foresight or whatever, they realized his value and willing to pay. That’s why they get to keep him

The Flames didn’t value Matthew the same way. Treliving got a lot of credit from the fans for screwing his own FAs earlier on. That came back and bite him
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Old 05-27-2023, 03:57 PM   #208
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I don't understand the new thread title, and I won't respond to it.

He's an effing unicorn! Who mentioned that first? was it Zito? I was sooo wrong! lol
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Old 05-27-2023, 06:32 PM   #210
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Shaq and Kenny are so clueless about hockey it's kind of pitiful. Can you imagine Leslie or Rick Ball being that dumb about basketball?

Tkachuk looked prettier without that beard too.
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Old 05-27-2023, 07:35 PM   #212
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We lost a legit face of the league. Would never get this hype in calgary I suppose but damn. That's a jersey selling player.
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We lost a legit face of the league. Would never get this hype in calgary I suppose but damn. That's a jersey selling player.
You can see why Tkachuk was ready to leave Canada. Look at the recognition he’s receiving post-Calgary. It’s infuriating, but it’s understandable. We know the player he is. Everyone south of Canada is starting to see it now too if they didn’t know already.
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Gotta say, that's pretty cool that they had Chucky on there. Kid is living the dream right now! So much has changed in less than a year - good for him!
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If Tkachuk was a Heat tonight they would have won!! lol that finish was insane.
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Old 05-27-2023, 11:53 PM   #217
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Nice to see a display of perfect 20/20 hindsight.
It's not the 20/20 hindsight that was the issue.

It was the 5/20 foresight.
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Canadian media took Kassian's side

Remember when Kassian was comparing himself to Tkachuk because he had 12 goals? Haha
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It's not the 20/20 hindsight that was the issue.

It was the 5/20 foresight.
It's neither. It's using a small sample size to reframe the issue to fit the narrative. You have to ignore the larger data set to accept the narrative being spun. What we're seeing here is lightning being captured in a bottle, not an accurate representation of the overall performance.
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Calgary Flames should have built their team around Tkachuk, Gaudreau, and Bennett as leaders, not Monahan, Backlund, and Giordano.
I beg your unbelievable pardon?
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