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[Teroy]

Line combinations might be an issue but Lucic, Richie, Rooney, Makey, Lewis and Stone are not the problem. Huberdeau is a 10 million dollar player and some of you think it will take time for him to get going. That's b.s. For 10 million he should have been going the first time he hit the ice. Weegar is a disaster looking for a place to happen. Every time he touches the puck I cringe. He's the worst defenceman right now on the team. How many times will he make a pass out front of our net before you realize that? And some of you want to reward him and put him on the power play? Thank god for Kadri and Backlund. The hustle from the Lucic line is great. Dube & Mangiapane never stop. Put them back with Kadri. And no, I'm not overly impressed with puck hog Andersson either.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

It's not even Phillips, who has obvious shortcomings that everyone can see (although his offensive upside is tangible and impressive).

Pelletier had an underwhelming camp. Pelletier also played exclusively in a group with guys on AHL/ECHL contracts. This guy looked like he could be a natural fit with Backlund when he was drafted — why wouldn't you give him a look there in a game that otherwise does not matter?

There is no other team in this league that promotes draft picks into the NHL at the rate the Flames have over the last five years. Every other team, from the contenders to the bottom feeders, has room to try their top young producers in NHL roles, even briefly. Why is that so difficult for the Flames?

Because as great as Sutter is and his ability to lead, he is one of the worst for incorporating prospects and giving them an inch of rope to make mistakes on the ice. I honestly can't think of one prospect during both his tenure as Flames head coach that a prospect was incorporated or became a main stay, somebody please correct me if i'm wrong.

I'm happy he is our head coach and wouldn't want it any other way but he certainly has his downfalls.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Because as great as Sutter is and his ability to lead, he is one of the worst for incorporating prospects and giving them an inch of rope to make mistakes on the ice. I honestly can't think of one prospect during both his tenure as Flames head coach that a prospect was incorporated or became a main stay, somebody please correct me if i'm wrong.

Oleg Saprykin and Mike Commodore played their last AHL games in 2003-04 and were permanently promoted to the NHL under Sutter. Matthew Lombardi made the '03-04 Flames as a rookie out of training camp. Chuck Kobasew played his first full NHL season under Sutter.

After the lockout, there was this kid called Dion Phaneuf.

Last season, there was Oliver Kylington.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Line combinations might be an issue but Lucic, Richie, Rooney, Makey, Lewis and Stone are not the problem. Huberdeau is a 10 million dollar player and some of you think it will take time for him to get going. That's b.s. For 10 million he should have been going the first time he hit the ice. Weegar is a disaster looking for a place to happen. Every time he touches the puck I cringe. He's the worst defenceman right now on the team. How many times will he make a pass out front of our net before you realize that? And some of you want to reward him and put him on the power play? Thank god for Kadri and Backlund. The hustle from the Lucic line is great. Dube & Mangiapane never stop. Put them back with Kadri. And no, I'm not overly impressed with puck hog Andersson either.

5.9M and Weegar has the best metrics of the entire D core

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Huberdeau is a 10 million dollar player and some of you think it will take time for him to get going. That's b.s. For 10 million he should have been going the first time he hit the ice. Weegar is a disaster looking for a place to happen. Every time he touches the puck I cringe. He's the worst defenceman right now on the team. How many times will he make a pass out front of our net before you realize that? And no, I'm not overly impressed with puck hog Andersson either.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Oleg Saprykin and Mike Commodore played their last AHL games in 2003-04 and were permanently promoted to the NHL under Sutter. Matthew Lombardi made the '03-04 Flames as a rookie out of training camp. Chuck Kobasew played his first full NHL season under Sutter.

After the lockout, there was this kid called Dion Phaneuf.

Last season, there was Oliver Kylington.

Saprykin played on the Flames during parts of 4 seasons before 03/04. 118 games before 03/04.

Mike Commodore was more of out circumstance due to injury but had NHL experience in 3 seasons prior to 03/04. Two seasons with the Devils. 63 games of experience.

Oliver Kylington 87 games 2015/2016 - 2019/2020 and he only played 8 games the year prior to last year under Sutter.

Lombardi I'll give you. I'll even give you Kobasew even tho he had some experience prior to 03/04.

Regardless I'm not talking about giving a full year to a young player, I'm talking about giving them an opportunity with no NHL experience and giving them some rope to figure it out with the big club.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Saprykin played on the Flames during parts of 4 seasons before 03/04. 118 games before 03/04.

Yes, and Saprykin kept getting sent back to the AHL time and again – until Sutter coached him, and then he did not get sent back. The same with the others on my list.

I notice, by the way, you don't mention Phaneuf at all. That's a rather significant case, don't you think?

The question was about young players becoming NHL regulars under Sutter. In every case I mentioned, the player was promoted from the AHL to the NHL under Sutter and was a permanent NHL roster player thereafter.

Here are the criteria you yourself set:

I honestly can't think of one prospect during both his tenure as Flames head coach that a prospect was incorporated or became a main stay,

If a player has been up and down between the AHL and NHL, and Sutter makes him a permanent NHL roster player, wouldn't you say that counts?

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yes, and Saprykin kept getting sent back to the AHL time and again – until Sutter coached him, and then he did not get sent back. The same with the others on my list.

I notice, by the way, you don't mention Phaneuf at all. That's a rather significant case, don't you think?

The question was about young players becoming NHL regulars under Sutter. In every case I mentioned, the player was promoted from the AHL to the NHL under Sutter and was a permanent NHL roster player thereafter.

Here are the criteria you yourself set:



If a player has been up and down between the AHL and NHL, and Sutter makes him a permanent NHL roster player, wouldn't you say that counts?

Should have clarified my thoughts, when I talked about "incorporated" i meant a young player given a shot with no experience and the leeway to make mistakes. So I can see why you mentioned the guys you did. My point was I don't see guys like Phillips and Pelletier getting a look cause they have 0 experience.

Dion is a good example in your favour. I didn't mention him because I think his circumstance and pedigree is vastly different from the guys being discussed right now.

I'm not trying to hate on Sutter, or even think his method is a bad one. Just saying his style isn't one to give young guys opportunities for the sake of circumstance or status.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Should have clarified my thoughts, when I talked about "incorporated" i meant a young player given a shot with no experience and the leeway to make mistakes. So I can see why you mentioned the guys you did. My point was I don't see guys like Phillips and Pelletier getting a look cause they have 0 experience.

Dion is a good example in your favour. I didn't mention him because I think his circumstance and pedigree is vastly different from the guys being discussed right now.

I'm not trying to hate on Sutter, or even think his method is a bad one. Just saying his style isn't one to give young guys opportunities for the sake of circumstance or status.

OK, that makes things clearer.

[Flamesfan05]

The problem is they have been standing around waiting for Gaudreau to carry the puck and make something happened in the last 5 yrs. Now, nobody is doing good let alone great. They carry it like a grenade and Huberdeau’s passes have been hit and misss

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The problem is they have been standing around waiting for Gaudreau to carry the puck and make something happened in the last 5 yrs. Now, nobody is doing good let alone great. They carry it like a grenade and Huberdeau’s passes have been hit and misss

People are blaming Huberdeau a lot but nobody is ready or open for him either, it’s not all on him. It’s like they’ve literally never played with a playmaker in their lives and I tack it up to laziness because it actually takes a lot of effort to constantly make sure you’re open in a fast game, but that’s what is required with Huberdeau so quite frankly if this group doesn’t wanna get open for him then find someone who will.

Also why I think Backlund is that guy because he’s been arguably the best forward this season (outside of Kadri).

[Dion]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Should have clarified my thoughts, when I talked about "incorporated" i meant a young player given a shot with no experience and the leeway to make mistakes. So I can see why you mentioned the guys you did. My point was I don't see guys like Phillips and Pelletier getting a look cause they have 0 experience.

Dion is a good example in your favour. I didn't mention him because I think his circumstance and pedigree is vastly different from the guys being discussed right now.

I'm not trying to hate on Sutter, or even think his method is a bad one. Just saying his style isn't one to give young guys opportunities for the sake of circumstance or status.

Thank you for the vote of confidence