2023 NHL Draft Thread

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

Carlson would be a massive get. He has so many star center qualities: Size, two way play, play making, puck protection, handles, passing, high IQ. Someone is getting a stud with him.

Would you move up to 3 to get him? And what would you pay to do it?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Would you move up to 3 to get him? And what would you pay to do it?

Flames don't have anything that would get them that pick

[devo22]

well if there's one franchise that's due to win the lottery and jump up 10 spots ...

[Royle9]

There's no way Leo falls out of the Top 3 or even 5
Would pay massively to try and acquire him but I'm not sure we have the assets to move from our 12-16th pick to get into the top 5.

He's basically a power forward C with all the skill and hands of a playmaker.
Easily a #1 pick any other year.

[OutOfTheCube]

There's always lots of chatter every year of teams trying to move up into the top 5 but when's the last time a top 5 pick was traded just before or at the draft? Extremely rare.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Top 5? I think the last one was the Leafs moving into 5 to get Luke Schenn, the year where there were 4 really good D at the top of the draft (Doughty, Bogosian, AP, Schenn).
But I think they had a top 10 pick they used to do that.

It's impossible to move into the top 5 without a really high pick.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Top 5? I think the last one was the Leafs moving into 5 to get Luke Schenn, the year where there were 4 really good D at the top of the draft (Doughty, Bogosian, AP, Schenn).
But I think they had a top 10 pick they used to do that.

It's impossible to move into the top 5 without a really high pick.

They had the 7th pick, so moved up two spots at the cost of a 2nd and 3rd round pick.

I don’t think a team has entered the top 5 from outside the top 10 in 20 years.

[Royle9]

Yea its not happening

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

They had the 7th pick, so moved up two spots at the cost of a 2nd and 3rd round pick.

I don’t think a team has entered the top 5 from outside the top 10 in 20 years.

I was looking for a post I made a few years ago that went through draft by draft and came to this conclusion, but I can't find it. Essentially, it's impossible to acquire a top 5 pick in the cap era, while it's known that it's a top 5 pick ** Kessel trade did result in a 2nd overall being traded.

[Monahammer]

Incidentally we may witness the 2nd instance of this happen this year, depending on where florida finishes.

[Ashes]

I think the only way we get a top 3 pick is if the Flames completely fall off down the stretch and we move up by winning the lottery, we're definitely overdue for some luck at the draft but I'll be expecting an 11-20 pick

I'd be happy with Yager, Cristall, Danielson, Pellikka, Wood, or Heidt. Yager's scouting reports remind me of Kyle Connor in his draft year. Apparently he's a great shooter and is very strong on the rush. Also Yager was CHL rookie of the year last year, maybe he's being ranked a bit lower than he should be? Or it's just THAT good of a draft that he'll be available around or after the 10th pick.

Would love to see another Boston esque' draft like in 2015, with a team going completely off the board to draft the big goalie or some of the defensemen before the Flames pick. Zboril, Senshyn, Debrusk instead of Kyle Connor, Barzal, Chabot.. still can't get over that.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I was looking for a post I made a few years ago that went through draft by draft and came to this conclusion, but I can't find it. Essentially, it's impossible to acquire a top 5 pick in the cap era, while it's known that it's a top 5 pick ** Kessel trade did result in a 2nd overall being traded.

Right, but what could we offer?

Look, everyone ####s on Feaster for that rumoured offer of three 1sts for MacKinnon, but the Avs already had Duchene and ROR in the Fold - they didn’t “need” MacKinnon persay.

Feaster’s mistake was not going far enough.

Imagine Feaster had offered 3 firsts, one of Gio/Brodie, and one of Backlund/Sven (coming of a 2 PPG season in Portland - he had hype).

Even if Colorado says “all of them”, getting MacKinnon to pair with Gaudreau probably still has them coming out ahead long-term.

Just thinking out loud, of course - I understand we likely don’t have the ammo in any event (though that’s all the more reason to trade Lindholm and Hanifin for sky high returns in a seller’s market).

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Right, but what could we offer?

Look, everyone ####s on Feaster for that rumoured offer of three 1sts for MacKinnon, but the Avs already had Duchene and ROR in the Fold - they didn’t “need” MacKinnon persay.

Feaster’s mistake was not going far enough.

Imagine Feaster had offered 3 firsts, one of Gio/Brodie, and one of Backlund/Sven (coming of a 2 PPG season in Portland - he had hype).

Even if Colorado says “all of them”, getting MacKinnon to pair with Gaudreau probably still has them coming out ahead long-term.

Just thinking out loud, of course - I understand we likely don’t have the ammo in any event (though that’s all the more reason to trade Lindholm and Hanifin for sky high returns in a seller’s market).

Well, we don't know what we could offer. So far, it has never been done by anyone, so it's difficult to peg a value that could achieve it. I know this is a cop-out saying, but it's not like chel, we can't just add players to match a total value and acquire one of the picks. Not even lindholm 50% retained + Hanifin 50% retained + our 1st is likely worth it. Consider that the holder of a top 3 pick is likely not close to actively competing for the cup, even with the addition of a top 3 talent. So the value that we can give them is muted by the fact that the remainder of their team isn't composed of good enough pieces to use what we give them to compete. So, you turn to futures. Is Coronato+Flames 1st enough for a top 3 pick? What about Coronato+Flames 1st+ Pelletier? What if we add zary? Hard to say, no one has done this. But when you talk about adding prospects that are already performing within our system, what is our motivation to move on from those?
It's arcane. But historically speaking, you can pretty much count that the top 5 (really top 10) picks are untradeable outside of extreme circumstances.

HOWEVER, we have a piece right now that did secure a top 10 pick in a trade. Hotshot top goalie prospect with excellent pedigree and questionable path to NHL due to existing contracts. Schneider for 9th overall (Bo Horvat).
So maybe Wolf? I wouldn't trade him though.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Right, but what could we offer?

The real issue is that why would a team trade a top pick for anything other than a young player who is already a star. No combination of mid to late firsts and older players will do it. I am not even sure McDavid gets Bedard because of contracts not that the Oilers would do it.

Originally Posted by Monahammer

HOWEVER, we have a piece right now that did secure a top 10 pick in a trade. Hotshot top goalie prospect with excellent pedigree and questionable path to NHL due to existing contracts. Schneider for 9th overall (Bo Horvat).
So maybe Wolf? I wouldn't trade him though.

Wolf would need to have three solid NHL seasons first.

[Samonadreau]

The only way we move up in the draft is by missing the playoffs and winning a one of the draft lottery balls. We wont be trading into a top 10 in this draft.

This link shows it best.

https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds

[Sandman]

Don’t sleep on Colby Barlow, y’all. He’s one of my favourites in this draft, and he will surely go top-10. I take him before Yager, or Cristall. He leads his team in scoring by 13 points, and you could argue that he has less to work with than Yager, at least.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The real issue is that why would a team trade a top pick for anything other than a young player who is already a star. No combination of mid to late firsts and older players will do it. I am not even sure McDavid gets Bedard because of contracts not that the Oilers would do it.



Wolf would need to have three solid NHL seasons first.

I don't particularly disagree.

Let's say they at least squeeze into the top 10 - they're drafting 10th. Who's the centre who isn't quite as hyped, but could just as easily be a superstar if a couple things break right? Who's the Barzal of this draft?

Whoever he is, if you're sure, go get him. Don't wait.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Don’t sleep on Colby Barlow, y’all. He’s one of my favourites in this draft, and he will surely go top-10. I take him before Yager, or Cristall. He leads his team in scoring by 13 points, and you could argue that he has less to work with than Yager, at least.

44 goals in 55 games so far for Barlow! What a monster draft this is shaping up to be, I guess my preference for a Center is influencing my preference for Yager but I think the only way I'd be disappointed from this draft is if we choose a defenseman in the 1st round. There's just so much C, LW, RW talent this year it's crazy. Also, Barlow is an extra 30lbs heavier right now than Yager, which could potentially help him join the Flames earlier. (Barlow is 6'1 194lb, Yager is 6'0 165lbs).

Pelletier, Coronato, Zary, Poirier, Wolf, and this years 1st.. Things maybe aren't quite as bleak in the prospects cupboard as some of the "analysts" would have us believe. Pelletier has already been a pleasant surprise for me, and I'm expecting Coronato to be even more of an offensive weapon. Feels like the Flames would follow the path they set in 2015 and load up on D in the 2nd round+, I hope so anyway!

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Ashes

44 goals in 55 games so far for Barlow! What a monster draft this is shaping up to be, I guess my preference for a Center is influencing my preference for Yager but I think the only way I'd be disappointed from this draft is if we choose a defenseman in the 1st round. There's just so much C, LW, RW talent this year it's crazy. Also, Barlow is an extra 30lbs heavier right now than Yager, which could potentially help him join the Flames earlier. (Barlow is 6'1 194lb, Yager is 6'0 165lbs).

Pelletier, Coronato, Zary, Poirier, Wolf, and this years 1st.. Things maybe aren't quite as bleak in the prospects cupboard as some of the "analysts" would have us believe. Pelletier has already been a pleasant surprise for me, and I'm expecting Coronato to be even more of an offensive weapon. Feels like the Flames would follow the path they set in 2015 and load up on D in the 2nd round+, I hope so anyway!

You make a very good point about Center vs Winger.

[dammage79]

Flames need up scale D prospects. And just more in general. Don't think we have an euros, and there's a sizeable development gap.