Post Mortem : What happens now?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

He has a broken foot?

I believe he had a high ankle sprain. Which can be quite serious. It seemed to affect him early on, but as the series went on, he seemed to get stronger.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I believe he had a high ankle sprain. Which can be quite serious. It seemed to affect him early on, but as the series went on, he seemed to get stronger.

It's one of the many things where I think the team screwed up on. I'm not saying be dirty but they should have tried to soften him up. Once things looked grim in game 3 would have been a good opportunity. You don't have to try and smoke him every time but don't let up on him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Inferno

It's one of the many things where I think the team screwed up on. I'm not saying be dirty but they should have tried to soften him up. Once things looked grim in game 3 would have been a good opportunity. You don't have to try and smoke him every time but don't let up on him.

If only we had Bobby Clarke to give him a little tap on that ankle.....

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It would certainly be nice, but how does one obtain one of these coveted guys?

Much like obtaining Lindholm, you need to get them before they break out, and you need to give up lots to get one.

Any suggestions of a centre likely to break out that his team has lost faith in?

And what will Calgary be dangling to obtain one? Trading Hanafin, for example, to obtain such a centre is not likely to bring immediate dividends, and leaves a giant hole at d.

I’ve suggested something around Mangiapane, Kylington, our next 1st, and our next 2nd and a prospect for Barzal/Scheifele. I don’t know how much more or less we’d need to pay. Plus or minus a piece, it’s a price I’m comfortable paying, given where this team is, and who’s coaching it.

Bank on Hanifin/Andersson developing into the next Gio/Brodie.

It seems to me that if you’re going up against MacKinnon, McDavid, or the Lightning, you’ll probably need one of Lindholm and Backlund on the ice against them at all times, and they’ll need to be focused almost exclusively on playing defense. And since all of these teams have more than one superstar, it seems likely that you won’t have the luxury of trying to shut down just one guy.

McDavid/Draisaitl, MacKinnon/Rantanen, Kucherov/Point/Stamkos/Hedman/#### the Lightning. Regardless of who’s out there, you won’t beat them unless you play defense first.

I don’t even think you want to take Gaudreau out of the mix either - he’s one of the few players who’s as good a skater as McDavid, and I honestly wonder if having Johnny spy Connor or Nate isn’t worth trying.

So anyway, if two lines are going to overcommit to defending the superstars, they aren’t going to have the energy to dominate in the offensive zone 5v5. They need someone who can do that without their help.

They also need to make sure that Tyler Toffoli isn’t the sixth attacker with the season on the line.

Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Scheifele/Barzal, Hanifin, Andersson.

That’ll tie a lot of games.

[Harry Lime]

Scheifele comes with a lot of worts for the price. If teammates are saying that he gives up, or doesn't play a team game, that isn't going to fly in Calgary. I'm also not sure why Lou would trade Barzal.

Potential steals out there... Shane Pinto, Vitali Kravtsov, Filip Zadina, Grigori Denisenko... those guys jump off the page as being older prospects that have the ability but have not put it all together. The idea of looking for a pick plus one of these players added would be an enticing prospect.

Not 1C material, but all of them are potential top six.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Start putting together a list of who needs a tune up surgery. Get everyone lined up to cover each other’s cap hit by timing surgeries accordingly. Sign everyone on the team who’s due, add a couple free agents.

[Buck Murdock]

Given how this season went, and the fact that he had the same surgery again, what's the possibility of Monahan spending significant time on LTIR next year?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

Given how this season went, and the fact that he had the same surgery again, what's the possibility of Monahan spending significant time on LTIR next year?

He is ahead of schedule, and the surgery is on the other hip. I don't think that he spends any time on LTIR, but it does take anywhere from six months to a year to relearn the muscle memory from a hip injury. It controls movement from your core to your legs.

Since he has gone through this once before, I could see the movement coming back to him on the lower end of the scale, and since he is ahead of schedule I'm optimistic that there is a chance of seeing vintage Monny hockey after the All-star break.

Tanev will likely spend up to two months on LTIR, though.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

Given how this season went, and the fact that he had the same surgery again, what's the possibility of Monahan spending significant time on LTIR next year?

He looked like he had been working out pretty hard during game 7 - I would guess he’s traded.

Someone will see value on a one-year reclamation.

It’s funny, his rookie season Mony scored 22 goals and he did it playing 3rd line minutes and PP2.

Nothing was set up to run through him or get him shots. But he scored 22.

Hips and wrists might as well be knees and concussions they way they derail careers. Dion was never the same after that hairline fracture in his hip in 09. All his explosiveness evaporated in one off season.

Monahan wasn’t fast to begin with and didn’t have a step to lose. Asking him to be an effective NHL centre after multiple hip surgeries is a super tall order.

We should go easy on Sean - he put his body through a lot for this team and this city, and not everyone can heal like Wolverine. His lack of success the last few seasons is not for lack of effort.

[socktape]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

Given how this season went, and the fact that he had the same surgery again, what's the possibility of Monahan spending significant time on LTIR next year?

Possibly none... there was a report last week saying that his recovery was weeks ahead of where he was with the surgery on the other side in the same timeframe. He'll most likely be good to go for Sept.

[Hot_Flatus]

I'm glad I'm not in charge of working to figure out what to do with this roster. Treliving is at a point where he's going to be in cap jail but possibly a contender again if he's able to get the top players signed to long term deals.

If he's not able to do it, this could be a lottery team with a still very high payroll.

[activeStick]

It's good to have read a few takes here since the loss, where Backlund has been given kudos for his playoff performance. Really happy with what I saw from him in the post season with a lot of big goals from him. A lot of his detractors were predicting him to not produce this playoffs.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He looked like he had been working out pretty hard during game 7 - I would guess he’s traded.

Someone will see value on a one-year reclamation.

As long as you mean "no one" when you say "someone", I agree.

No one saw any value last year, because Monny never proved himself healthy or productive.

He'll need to do the same this year before anyone would dare bite.

He's not a reclamation project, who had an off year. He's a guy who's had multiple serious surgeries.

No one is blaming Sean, as his body seems to have given out over time.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Scheifele comes with a lot of worts for the price. If teammates are saying that he gives up, or doesn't play a team game, that isn't going to fly in Calgary. I'm also not sure why Lou would trade Barzal.

Potential steals out there... Shane Pinto, Vitali Kravtsov, Filip Zadina, Grigori Denisenko... those guys jump off the page as being older prospects that have the ability but have not put it all together. The idea of looking for a pick plus one of these players added would be an enticing prospect.

Not 1C material, but all of them are potential top six.

Barzal was viewed as a disappointment in NYI this year in a lot of circles. He only tied Brock Nelson on his own team in points. Second lowest PPG in his career at just over .8. A lot has to do with not ideal wingers though. He'd sure be a great 2C here. And if Lindy's production fell off they'd be a good 1-2 punch. He's an RFA with arb rights after this year though.

Really, everyone in NYI had an off year.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The Flames won in OT in game 7, after the Stars hit the post in OT.

That's as barely as it gets.

So you think the Flames didn't outplay Dallas, and weren't being held in check by an outstanding performance by the Dallas goaltender...

[BurningSteel]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

So you think the Flames didn't outplay Dallas, and weren't being held in check by an outstanding performance by the Dallas goaltender...

I liked the chatter on 960 this am about a team offer sheeting Oettenger, I hope that happens.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

As long as you mean "no one" when you say "someone", I agree.

No one saw any value last year, because Monny never proved himself healthy or productive.

He'll need to do the same this year before anyone would dare bite.

He's not a reclamation project, who had an off year. He's a guy who's had multiple serious surgeries.

No one is blaming Sean, as his body seems to have given out over time.

Then he gets bought out - either way, Monahan isn’t stopping them from doing what they want.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Then he gets bought out - either way, Monahan isn’t stopping them from doing what they want.

Buying him out would save $4M this year, cost them $2M next year

Assuming he's healthy of course. Can't buy out an injured player.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by BurningSteel

I liked the chatter on 960 this am about a team offer sheeting Oettenger, I hope that happens.

Hope it won't be the Flames doing any offersheet on a goalie. It's like betting that the Flames will make it past round one or two of the playoffs every year!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

So you think the Flames didn't outplay Dallas, and weren't being held in check by an outstanding performance by the Dallas goaltender...

They absolutely outplayed Dallas. But that wasn't the discussion. They still barely beat them.