Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

No it really isn't. That's why I felt a big move needed to be made in the summer. I was trying to trade Hanifin and Monahan any chance I had. $11M in cap space could've done wonders for this team. .

How does this team afford to lose Hanifin? They have a guy who was 8-9 on most depth charts playing top 4. Hanifin-Andersson-Taney are the only true top 4 D this team has. Right now Monahan is very overpaid for what he brings but I would say Hanifin has been a bargain the last season and this one

What were the big cap moving trades they missed out on that would have done wonders?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They can move some of those forwards if need be.

I have little doubt Johnny would sign a contract with with the Flames, as long as the price is right. And that’s the rub.


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What number would be too problematic? $13M? $12M?

He’s getting north of $10M regardless.

Quibbling about an extra $1M or $2M is all part of the game, but if it’s that or letting him walk, just pay the man his money.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

What number would be too problematic? $13M? $12M?

He’s getting north of $10M regardless.

Quibbling about an extra $1M or $2M is all part of the game, but if it’s that or letting him walk, just pay the man his money.

But how will we sign 7th D and 4th line forwards for 3 million in that case

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Just curious but what value do you think this post adds to the discussion?

I'm saying we've heard all this crap before, and it has always been crap. The same sort of posters have always thought Gaudreau was certain to leave town at the earliest opportunity, and they haven't been right yet. So let's not go spouting about ‘facts’ that are no better than WAGs.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How does this team afford to lose Hanifin? They have a guy who was 8-9 on most depth charts playing top 4.

Are you seriously saying that at this point Kylington is an 8-9 D?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Are you seriously saying that at this point Kylington is an 8-9 D?

That is not what I said at all.

I said this team had 3 legit top 4 D and as of right now that is still true. Kylington is playing like a top 4 now and if he keeps it up he will be paid as such next summer.

Before this season he was 7-9 on most fans and medias depth chart. Valimaki can’t get in the lineup and Zadorov is bottom pair at best. This team can’t afford to lose Hanifin that is what I said

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

But how will we sign 7th D and 4th line forwards for 3 million in that case

Gosh, we might be forced to play some players we drafted.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you are saying he doesn't want to negotiate but the team and Gaudreau have both indicated they are doing exactly that. Gee, I wonder whom I believe here. It really pisses me off when people feel the need to make crap up they have no clue about to try and strengthen their agenda.

Seriously...this is a forum where people our free to express their opinions....perhaps you should lighten up

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Seriously...this is a forum where people our free to express their opinions....perhaps you should lighten up

This Gaudreau extension business is a very large trigger for dissetowner. It's like it's a personal insult to him if anyone even remotely suggests Johnny would prefer to go back East.

If Johnny ever does actually sign another extension in Calgary you are going to see dissentowner vomit the largest "I told you so" tirade from one end of this forum to the other haha.

It'll be glorious.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This Gaudreau extension business is a very large trigger for dissetowner. It's like it's a personal insult to him if anyone even remotely suggests Johnny would prefer to go back East.

If Johnny ever does actually sign another extension in Calgary you are going to see dissentowner vomit the largest "I told you so" tirade from one end of this forum to the other haha.

It'll be glorious.

If he doesn’t we drove Johnny out of town with all this talk

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Seriously...this is a forum where people our free to express their opinions....perhaps you should lighten up

Nothing wrong with expressing opinions, there is something wrong with stating things as facts that simply are not.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nothing wrong with expressing opinions, there is something wrong with stating things as facts that simply are not.

Having you said that as a matter of fact that Johnny will sign an extension to remain in Calgary?


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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm saying we've heard all this crap before, and it has always been crap. The same sort of posters have always thought Gaudreau was certain to leave town at the earliest opportunity, and they haven't been right yet. So let's not go spouting about ‘facts’ that are no better than WAGs.

They haven't been wrong yet either. That's the problem with your angle.

[1qqaaz]

Well, Gaudreau could have left the Flames via the college route, and didn't.

[Heavy Jack]

Until he actually leaves - if he does - can we not give Gaudreau the benefit of the doubt here? First we freaked out when he went to college for his 3rd year. Then we freaked out when he held out for his current contract and now we are freaking out that he’s going to bolt to Philly because he turned it up there last game. Without a doubt in my mind Johnny has loved his time here and has worn the Flaming C proudly, dude is already 8th all time in scoring for the Flames. I’m still leaning towards him signing here but admit it’s approaching a nervousness territory but still I think Johnny thus far has proven his commitment to the team and city so let’s sit back and hope for the best.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Johnny’s next cap hit is not going to start with a 9.

Best come to terms with that.

and if it takes 10 you effing do it!!!!!!

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

No it really isn't. That's why I felt a big move needed to be made in the summer. I was trying to trade Hanifin and Monahan any chance I had. $11M in cap space could've done wonders for this team.

This is on Treliving to fix now though. As good as he is using leverage to get deals done at really excellent cap hits, his toughest summer will be this up coming one when he has 4 of the team's top producers all needing new, expensive deals. Good luck to him.

In hindsight, he probably should've signed Mangipane to a longer term deal which is what I personally hoped he had done back in 2020 because this kid was as sure of a thing as it gets.

IMO it took way too long for this club to figure out Lindholm was their 1C. Monahan could have been moved while he still had decent value, even if it was just for draft picks. I just don't have much confidence there is a long term plan around roster construction.

I guess based on their actions that the club believes the path to a championship is to build around Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Lindholm. So I would imagine they do what it takes to sign these guys.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's what we thought when Gio's contract went off the books but that money went into a bunch of depth players that aren't difference makers. The Flames without Gaudreau is probably not going to be pretty.

Except Gio is washed up and every single player we got with his cap hit is better than him.

Gio's plus minus when he returns to Calgary is going to be the same as the windchill in Commonwealth on a December night. -25! lol

[Vinny01]

Scenario time:

This team makes the playoffs as the 3 seed in the Pacific and lose in the first round to Vegas/Oilers. Johnny remains unsigned the entire time and is in a Landeskog situation where he signs the 8 year deal in front of him or walks.

Here is the thing though. Another first round loss and this team is giving Johnny a 50% raise for his 29-36 age years. There is no superstar coming up yet so the feeling would be so similar to the 2007-2013 flames being lead by an aging winger.

I am really not a fan of the situation Brad has put himself in and based on his history I am not overly confident he will do a good job of dealing with it all. Losing Johnny for nothing is 100% on Brad.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Scenario time:

This team makes the playoffs as the 3 seed in the Pacific and lose in the first round to Vegas/Oilers. Johnny remains unsigned the entire time and is in a Landeskog situation where he signs the 8 year deal in front of him or walks.

Here is the thing though. Another first round loss and this team is giving Johnny a 50% raise for his 29-36 age years. There is no superstar coming up yet so the feeling would be so similar to the 2007-2013 flames being lead by an aging winger.

I am really not a fan of the situation Brad has put himself in and based on his history I am not overly confident he will do a good job of dealing with it all. Losing Johnny for nothing is 100% on Brad.

I agree that if he walks, in hindsight it would obviously have been better to trade him prior to the MNTC. It's unfortunate that the crunch time came on the heels of two highly unusual seasons, and both the trade market and Gaudreau's value were highly uncertain. We don't really know the discussions between Gaudreau and Treliving prior to the season but if JG gave Treliving every indication he'd extend at a reasonable price, I'm not sure JG refusing to sign is 100% on Brad.