[Rumour] Tarasenko has requested a trade and the Blues interest in Tkachuk

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Ignoring your concerns (which are overblown), let's focus on the bolded... you believe the Flames need to rebuild, and yet you are proposing that we trade our most valuable under-25 asset for an injury-riddled 30 year old.

And you can't understand why everyone thinks your proposal is terrible?

I’m suggesting that we won’t get fair value for a player who not only wants out but has a strangle hold on us when it comes time to resign. I’m not saying this trade is amazing and will make us better for sure. It is probably the best we can do.

I personally think Thomas is getting underrated and if we could get a first in 22 or 23 it not a terrible return. I think if tarasenko returns to form he can be traded for a decent return. If you get a first for him now it’s Thomas and 2 firsts for a player who doesn’t want to play for you anymore and might have an agenda to play for a select few teams which diminishes his value even more (like Adam fox example already mentioned)

Perfect world he loves Calgary and plays his whole career here maybe even takes a discount to stay but sounds like that isn’t what he wants

So yeah time to rebuild because this situation is making it even less likely that we can move forward with this core and win now

[transplant99]

Lots of stock being put into unsubstantiated rumors here.

Yikes.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Lots of stock being put into unsubstantiated rumors here.

Why break with tradition?

[sureLoss]

so an update from Blues athletic writer. I am pretty sure most Flames fans will hate the package being proposed here.

https://theathletic.com/2705309/2021...alks-and-more/

This is where it gets interesting: The Blues have expressed interest in Calgary’s Matthew Tkachuk, a St. Louis native, according to sources. The Flames aren’t looking to trade him Tkachuck summer but might be forced to by next summer, when he’s a restricted free agent, if he doesn’t want to be with the organization long-term. The Flames have interest in Dunn and may need a player like him sooner than later if they lose Mark Giordano in the expansion draft.

A package of Tarasenko, Dunn and either a high draft pick or a top prospect could be enough to bring Tkachuk home, a source said. Tkachuk’s AAV is $7 million next season, which is the final year of his deal. If they didn’t have to retain salary in the deal, the Blues would actually be saving cap space, especially since Dunn’s salary would be going the other way.

However, as one may surmise, Calgary is not on Tarasenko’s list.

That’s not to say that a deal would get struck if he approved; only that the possibility exists.

Also according to the article 8 of the 10 teams that are on Tarasenko's list:
NYR, NYI, VGK, BOS, PHI, TBL, WSH, FLA

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

so an update from Blues athletic writer. I am pretty sure most Flames fans will hate the package being proposed here.

https://theathletic.com/2705309/2021...alks-and-more/



Also according to the article 8 of the 10 teams that are on Tarasenko's list:
NYR, NYI, VGK, BOS, PHI, TBL, WSH, FLA

I’d rather have robert Thomas than Dunn. Dunn should just be a toss in with little value

[SuperMatt18]

Blues writers are trying to speak this into existence because they want to see Tkachuk in St.Louis.

Maybe I just missed it but I haven't seen Andy Strickland speak on the Tkachuk to St Louis rumors yet...he's the writer in St.Louis that I do believe has ties to the family.

Tarasenko, Dunn, Kyrou, 1st....maybe I think about that.

[Roof-Daddy]

Oof

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I’d rather have robert Thomas than Dunn. Dunn should just be a toss in with little value

Dunn is pretty much equal to Rasmus Andersson in value

[Nelson]

That’s crazy. Tarasenko, Dunn and a top prospect should be an easy no because the Blues don’t have a top prospect good enough. I’m not a categorical no on moving Tkachuk for Tarasenko plus, but I want Thomas/Kyrou and a 1st round pick included.

[CliffFletcher]

Pundits say the Blues are waiting to swoop in and grab Landeskog if negotiations with the Avs break down. If that happens, zero chance of a Tkachuk trade.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Blues writers are trying to speak this into existence because they want to see Tkachuk in St.Louis.

Maybe I just missed it but I haven't seen Andy Strickland speak on the Tkachuk to St Louis rumors yet...he's the writer in St.Louis that I do believe has ties to the family.

Tarasenko, Dunn, Kyrou, 1st....maybe I think about that.

And definitely not before the expansion draft.

I hate the idea of going after quantity over quality though. On the positive side, I would not be surprised if St. Louis is a lottery team in the near future. That 1st could end up being pretty valuable.

I don’t think Tarasenko has much value though. He has barely played over the past 2 seasons and is a huge risk. He isn’t old per se, but not exactly a spring chicken either. Definitely at the age where considering his injuries, there could be a steep drop off on production.

I am not sure what the big deal is about Kyrou either. Good player, but nothing special.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Dunn is pretty much equal to Rasmus Andersson in value

He never played higher than the 3rd pairing last season. He signed a show-me deal for under $2M last off-season and failed to show much. St Louis shopped him publicly and he was a healthy scratch several times after Mikkola proved to be more reliable

His value should be quite low at this point, significantly lower than Andersson

[flambers]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don’t think Tarasenko has much value though. He has barely played over the past 2 seasons and is a huge risk. He isn’t old per se, but not exactly a spring chicken either. Definitely at the age where considering his injuries, there could be a steep drop off on production.

l.

Agreed, Tarasenko has a risk element involved (i.e. his shoulder)

If he was traded, especially since he has a NTC clause and it sounds like Calgary is not on the list.

Why would he waive to a team that is not currently a contender.

[Ashasx]

Why even try to compete if that's what you get in return for Tkachuk? Just sell everything because the team would get significantly worse now and in the future with that trade.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Dunn is pretty much equal to Rasmus Andersson in value

Dunn was drafted exactly 2 slots after Andersson and it appears Andersson has a far far better agent.

After 2019-20 when Andersson had 160 games and 41 pts he got a 6 year x 4.55

At the same point in time Dunn had 224 games and 82 pts he got 1 x 1.875 show me deal.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Dunn was drafted exactly 2 slots after Andersson and it appears Andersson has a far far better agent.

After 2019-20 when Andersson had 160 games and 41 pts he got a 6 year x 4.55

At the same point in time Dunn had 224 games and 82 pts he got 1 x 1.875 show me deal.

What were their +\-?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Dunn was drafted exactly 2 slots after Andersson and it appears Andersson has a far far better agent.

After 2019-20 when Andersson had 160 games and 41 pts he got a 6 year x 4.55

At the same point in time Dunn had 224 games and 82 pts he got 1 x 1.875 show me deal.

Could it possibly be because Dunn scored fewer goals and points as he did in 18-19? Or because St. Louis is already paying a ton of money on D, and wound up way over the cap?

[Super-Rye]

Tarasenko, Dunn and a top prospect/first?

That's an awful deal.

Tarasenko has been injury riddled and is a shell of his former self with a bad contract.

I like Dunn but he is not a Gio replacement. He was a healthy scratch for the blues at times and didn't even play the playoffs.

That's as bad as suggesting we could get Eichel for Monahan, Kylington and a first.

Just a brutal proposal. If Treliving does a deal like that he should be fired.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am not sure what the big deal is about Kyrou either. Good player, but nothing special.

Have you even watched him play? He is definitely going to be a top 6 winger with a decent chance of being a 1st line winger. He has oodles of talent.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Every single team in the league would have some level of interest in Tkachuk.

I just hate the notion that our best young player and arguably most valuable asset is bringing back similar aged forwards with modest upside and a former superstar sniper who has had multiple injuries that impact his ability to shoot like he used to. The nature of the injuries Tarasenko has had result in huge red flags.

If we are talking Monahan for Tarasenko that makes some sense. 2 players that have had a dip in production and injuries over the last couple years. Even then Monahan has scored significantly more points over the last 3 years and cheaper so the Blues retain or add to close that deal.

I do think the Flames will be significantly better next year. I feel like Ward did a ton of damage with his short stint with the interim tag removed. Sutter had this team playing better after that brutal 9 game stretch where they couldn’t score a goal to save their lives.

I hope the organization makes significant change but I am not on the same page with the posters who took this past season as a sign of things to come. Flames still make the playoffs in the traditional pacific this year and they are more built for the playoffs than they were in the past with a high end goalie and proven coach who has won 17 playoff series behind the bench and multiple cups.

Monahan for Tarasenko makes more sense.

If the Flames are going to trade Tkachuk it should be to the highest bidder not to the team he wants to play on. Flames need to create a market and not cave into a young player who is maybe holding the cards and trying to control his destiny. His dad obviously has ties to the Blues so that's not doing Calgary any favors. Calgary needs better players. They should expose Tkachuk to 30 teams if there is any indication he does not want to be here.