[PGT] Season’s over 3-2 grease

[DeluxeMoustache]

I passed, sorry.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I passed, sorry.

Yeah you didn't have much of an argument...Markstrom was 4th in Vezina voting, Talbot got robbed I guess

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

BASED ON NHL GMS VOTING HIM THE 4TH BEST GOALIE IN THE NHL LAST SEASON

Again, did you watch last season? Because he was also voted the Canucks MVP in a landslide.

Is your argument that Markstrom wasn't a top goalie last season? Odd the Oilers would offer him a 7 year contract and not Talbot based on your numbers.

Go look at Demko's numbers in front of that team last season

Hall was voted the most valuable player once too.

Oilers didn’t offer 7. Only 5.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Hall was voted the most valuable player once too.

Oilers didn’t offer 7. Only 5.

7 years guy...they offered him 7x5

and you are taking me out of context, he was saying he wasn't a top goalie last year and that is what I strongly disagree with.

NHL GMs do too

[CroCop]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Because all shots are equal right...this guy

4th in vezina voting...NHL GMs thought he was top 4

did you even watch last season? Canucks were a tire fire and Markstrom was their MVP by a mile and got them in the playoffs by himself

I was as excited as anyone to land this guy but now looks like a total waste given the length, size of contract and state of this group. Handcuffs a needed rebuild big time. I would offer him to Toronto... for Anderson and whatever else to make it work and hope he waives. Suits both situations best.

He had a chance to show his worth tonight and booted it. Weak game winning goal 7 hole to McDavid against the Oilers...cmon

[Jiri Hrdina]

I didn’t think there was a debate that he was really good last season
Odd argument

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I didn’t think there was a debate that he was really good last season
Odd argument

Moustache ride in fact did debate it posting his save% stats being worse than Talbot

[ComixZone]

Yeah, of all the things I’m worried about Markstrom really isn’t one of them.

He’s going to be very motivated to bounce back next year and we’ve seen him pre-injury and post-injury, and clearly something isn’t right with him.

I don’t really want him bouncing back right now either. I don’t want a goalie to be the reason we draft a Bennett when a Draisaitl goes one pick higher. Not after enduring the absolute garbage goaltending this organization has gone through for nearly a decade.

[Willi Plett]

Waiting for the trades to start.

[Igottago]

Most players are just gonna crap the bed now until this season is over. Its almost irrelevant ragging on individual performances at this stage. The mix is so off pretty much no one is going to rise above it in a season that's just a complete disaster. They all want to be done and will play out the clock on this season.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah you didn't have much of an argument...Markstrom was 4th in Vezina voting, Talbot got robbed I guess

Look man, for a guy saying someone else is picking a fight this is silly

Markstrom was 30 years old and put up a 14th OA sv%. GMs like him 4th most

Doesn’t mean he was definitively 4th best. But he had a good narrative, I guess

Look. Generally, statistically, star players peak around 27. Goalies are a bit of voodoo, but that doesn’t translate to ‘goalies are best in their 30s’. Carey Price sure looked a lot better from 25-28 than 30-33.

And here’s another fun fact - Talbot has a career .916 in 332 games and Markstrom .910 in 298

Tell me again about the legend of Jakob Markstrom

Lots of time, he is signed for 6 years

[Barca]

the biggest difference I see with Markstrom this year vs last year is the Canucks offence bailed him when he was average. The flames need more scoring.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Look man, for a guy saying someone else is picking a fight this is silly

Markstrom was 30 years old and put up a 14th OA sv%. GMs like him 4th most

Doesn’t mean he was definitively 4th best. But he had a good narrative, I guess

Look. Generally, statistically, star players peak around 27. Goalies are a bit of voodoo, but that doesn’t translate to ‘goalies are best in their 30s’. Carey Price sure looked a lot better from 25-28 than 30-33.

And here’s another fun fact - Talbot has a career .916 in 332 games and Markstrom .910 in 298

Tell me again about the legend of Jakob Markstrom

Lots of time, he is signed for 6 years

I thought Markstrom was the best goalie in the NHL last year long before there was even a hope of him coming to Calgary its not a homer thing. The guys season last year was insane and NHL GMs agree.

He started this season like last year but after the injury he has struggled...its only been 15 games or so. This season is magnified.

Pretty silly to say Talbot was just as good last season though


Easy to pile on Markstrom now

[Inferno]

I don't think it would matter who was in net this season. It's one of those nightmare seasons where nothing is going right.

If Markstrom is in Edmonton I bet he has the same season Smith is having and Smith would have been lit up if he was still a Flame.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I thought Markstrom was the best goalie in the NHL last year long before there was even a hope of him coming to Calgary its not a homer thing. The guys season last year was insane and NHL GMs agree.

He started this season like last year but after the injury he has struggled...its only been 15 games or so. This season is magnified.

Pretty silly to say Talbot was just as good last season though

I said Talbot’s sv% was slightly better. That is factually correct.

I don’t give a crap how Markstrom was last year. This year he was good for 13 games and crap since

I do wish he would bring that here.

Hey, go ahead and blame his play on injuries. But they didn’t make him fire the puck over the glass during a 4 min PK, that cost them a game. They didn’t kick out rebounds into the slot tonight that luckily didn’t cost the Flames. They didn’t force the puck handling gaffe tonight with 6 to go. They didn’t create the hole under his arm on the GWG.

His rebound placement is ####. I miss Kipper who would catch everything he could and try to direct everything else in the corner. Markstrom put three or four rebounds right in the middle and luckily no Oilers were in position and fortunate enough to capitalize

We obviously watch goalies differently

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Even strength xGF% was 51.09 under Sutter's 12 games, 51.32 over the whole season.

By the law of averages, as you say, this team should be in a playoff spot (or close to). Expected stats are a somewhat overrated IMO, but when sample sizes are small it's the best stat available for tracking player/team performance.

Looks favorable for Ward, but there's quite a bit it doesn't take into account. For instance, this team has known for the past couple of weeks that the playoffs were basically out of reach for them, so it likely took some of the wind out of their sails. Plus, things like injuries, Backlund's new baby, etc.

Are expected goals based on player, team, or league stats? If they are based on league average scoring from different situations but the Flames have below league average finishing them it’s not that useful a stat. Someone like Bennett might have a good xGF (no idea if he does or not) but we know he’s a lousy finisher so it doesn’t mean much.

[Dion]

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I don't think it would matter who was in net this season. It's one of those nightmare seasons where nothing is going right.

If Markstrom is in Edmonton I bet he has the same season Smith is having and Smith would have been lit up if he was still a Flame.

Disagree, respectfully. Smith’s post save recovery has improved *significantly*

How many belly flops are you seeing, and flailing to make second saves?

Edit: I will retract part of that disagreement. Goalies’ results are also influenced by the team play in front of them. Flames have given up a ton of 5 bell opps that no goalie reasonably can be expected to save, so either goalie would be directionally better under the other team.

But Smith’s fundamentals have improved and Markstrom has struggled

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by FBI

Honest question, is this game worth going back and watching or no?

It’s every game you’ve already watched this season

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Disagree, respectfully. Smith’s post save recovery has improved *significantly*

How many belly flops are you seeing, and flailing to make second saves?

It might have but that's not while playing behind this year's Flames. As bad as I think the Oilers are they would be less frustrating to play behind than the Flames.